Sorcerous Artifacts

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« Reply #30 on: March 27, 2014, 06:26:49 pm »
About Malowebi's far-calling devices, perhaps that kind of thing would let the Zeumi prince stay in contact with home.

Problems with that: Z isn't a sorcerer, so maybe he can't use the things OR it may be impossible for Zeum to reach him since he is on the move (if it works like far-calling and needs a compass).

If he has such devices, he may notice when Sorweel's little bag distorts the signal.  THUS, Zsoronga becomes convinced that HE is the narindar and that Yatwer was using Sorweel to position Z.

Whatever happens, I do hope we see some really smart people exploiting the potential of sorcerous artifacts more in TUC.  At Dagliash, Kellhus passes around magic lightning crossbows and bashrags swing flaming hammers.
Very nice, especially about there being no light in the Thousand Thousand Halls.


No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enruned sunglasses headband thingamajig.  No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree.  Right?
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« Reply #31 on: March 27, 2014, 09:48:47 pm »
Really want to know more about the whore's shell.  If these are common objects, where do they come from?  Mysunsai made?  Local school stuff?  Witch made?  If witch made, then does that suggest some uneasy tolerance with keeping low level witches about for this kind of thing?

Witch-made. And if there is ongoing persecution of Witches, then there are practicing Witches. Achamian also mentions fulfilling his Schoolmanly duty in killing a Sansori Witch.

No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enruned sunglasses headband thingamajig.  No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree.  Right?

It's covered in renditions of waves, if I remember correctly?

Possibly sorcerous?
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« Reply #32 on: March 27, 2014, 11:43:58 pm »
No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enruned sunglasses headband thingamajig.  No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree.  Right?

Fuck yeah, that's great!  It's a psukhe device that Old Moe uses to keep Meppa on mission.  Speaking of which, psukhe devices?  Nobody would know you have it until it you make it shoot out blue light.  Let's say Fanayal has a necklace that does this--melts Esmi in her skin.

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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2014, 03:41:02 pm »
No verification if it is indeed sorcerous, but possibly Meppa's silver enruned sunglasses headband thingamajig.  No other cish we've met has worn anything like that, so it must be important to some degree.  Right?

Fuck yeah, that's great!  It's a psukhe device that Old Moe uses to keep Meppa on mission.  Speaking of which, psukhe devices?  Nobody would know you have it until it you make it shoot out blue light.  Let's say Fanayal has a necklace that does this--melts Esmi in her skin.

I feel like this is why the Psuke was destroyed. It makes things too.... easy.
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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2014, 09:16:52 am »
I think it is sorcerous over Yatwer :P. But now that you're skewing my brain, I have to suggest that perhaps the ancient Anasurimbor were blessed?
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2014, 02:54:54 pm »
Well we've speculated crazier things, why not blessed? lol @ Kellhu's bloodline originally anointed/blessed by Yatwer/others
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2014, 12:18:35 am »
What about the Tekne equivalents of sorcerous artifacts.  We tend to think of the tekne being limited to the bios and mundane style technology, but that is clearly not the case.

We have the Inverse fire for starters, a window to Hell made without the Daimos.  Think about that.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2014, 12:17:23 pm »
Don't cross the streams :P.

Tekne being able to "do" sorcery raises too many inconsistencies. Why don't the Inchoroi find sorcery on a world other than Earwa? Why wouldn't they accidently achieve a sorcerous reaction in all of their Teknescience? Why does the No-God require Chorae (Aporos) and whatever other Earwan sorceries to achieve existence?
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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2014, 01:19:06 pm »
Lol...
so what did the Inchies use to enable Aurang to use sorcery then? 

Grafted via the Tekne.

And a skin spy that can use sorcery, hmm... 
Synthese? The no-god?

All crafted by the Tekne and use sorcerous components.

The inverse fire?  Seriously - it shows you hell, same as the Daimos and the meta-gnosis.

Seems pretty consistent to me.

What's the important thing about Earwa? 
It's could be something like Arakis, possessed of a pure substance or quality of meaning that just doesn't occur anywhere else in the universe.
Or Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe.  Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.

We tend to assume that the outside is connected to Earwa, but it is primarily connected to souls.

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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2014, 08:13:03 pm »
I think it would be strange if the Inchoroi could do any sorcery before Earwa/meeting the Aporetics.  So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?  Perhaps they found it somewhere or took it with them when they left (if they did) Earwa ages upon ages ago.  Maybe it's a new development--it's the thing that attracted them to Earwa and the first item they acquired after crashing or because of crashing. 

It's not impossible to me that the Inverse Fire is a window to hell and purely tekne, it would seem odd, but the Bakkerverse is so different from home.

I am hoping that the IF/tekne/sorcery is not made possible because the whole world is a simulation.  That would clear it all up though.  :(

EDIT: add to the list--whatever Kellhus uses to chop of demons' heads?  Could be a real special sword/guillotine/ax

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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2014, 11:16:37 am »
Lol...
so what did the Inchies use to enable Aurang to use sorcery then? 

Grafted via the Tekne.

This is unnecessarily confused. There are no Tekne Cants, Wards, or Glamours.
 
And a skin spy that can use sorcery, hmm... 
Synthese? The no-god?

All crafted by the Tekne and use sorcerous components.

The inverse fire?  Seriously - it shows you hell, same as the Daimos and the meta-gnosis.

Seems pretty consistent to me.

Through Iyokus we know that the Daimos can show you portions of the Outside - not necessarily hell. Also, when is the Metagnosis used to do anything related to hell, the Outside...?

What's the important thing about Earwa? 
It's could be something like Arakis, possessed of a pure substance or quality of meaning that just doesn't occur anywhere else in the universe.
Or Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe.  Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.

We tend to assume that the outside is connected to Earwa, but it is primarily connected to souls.

Well, the Inchoroi in TFS suggests that it is the Ground that is different...

I think it would be strange if the Inchoroi could do any sorcery before Earwa/meeting the Aporetics. 

They couldn't?

So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?

It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?
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« Reply #42 on: April 25, 2014, 02:25:16 pm »

Or Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe.  Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.

We tend to assume that the outside is connected to Earwa, but it is primarily connected to souls.

I enjoy this idea/perspective quite a bit.
So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?

It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?

Advanced optics! Basically big mirrors focusing light :P. Thats a fit different than view an alternate dimension, though perhaps we just need bigger mirrors.
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« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2014, 02:14:58 pm »
@ Curethan, you said:

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Earwan sorcery could simply be the result of the Inchies exterminating every other ensouled race in the universe.  Kind of concentrating the connection to the outside to Earwa because its the only place left where souls can be reborn.

SHIT!!!  That would explain why the Inchoroi technology is on the decline and why the Ark crashed and why Earwa is the promised land!  The Inchoroi are bruised and battered from interminable war and finally limp to the promised land, which they created, and are nearly extinguished because they are the ones that made it strong!  They GAVE Earwa sorcery (via being the last and most concentrated repository of souls), which the nonmen/men have used to battle them through the ages!  LOVE IT!!!

BONUS: That's why some animals have souls!  There are so many souls, they overflow the humans and nonmen and end up in animals!

ALSO BONUS: This would fit with Bakker's thing about science eradicating the intentional universe.  Teckne kills souls.  (soul repositories)

EDIT: I was quoting the wrong part of Curethan's post, now fixed.

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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2014, 12:55:31 pm »
So, how to explain the Inverse Fire?

It's tecknology... How do our computers allow us to image a nebula light years away?

Advanced optics! Basically big mirrors focusing light :P. Thats a fit different than view an alternate dimension, though perhaps we just need bigger mirrors.

+1 Bigger Mirrors: "We were looking to image nebula light years away... but we went too far. We discovered the Outside... and Damnation!"
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