The World Lives?

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« on: April 25, 2014, 04:31:52 pm »
Rereading and came upon this bit just as the holy war leaves the desert:

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Two hundred thousand corpses marked the Holy War's march from the oasis of Subis to the frontier of Enathpaneah.  Two hundred thousand dead, beat into black leather by the sun.

For generations the Khirgwi would call their route saka'ilrait, "the Trail of Skulls."

From chapter 19, page 412 in US paperback, near the beginning of the chapter, bold added.

Perhaps a hint that the world lives on past whatever happens at the end of TUC?  Generations means babies!  Maybe just the Khirgwi survive.  :P

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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2014, 05:02:02 pm »
Generations means a minimum of 2. Roughly speaking, a generation is 20 years, meaning the world must only live for about 40.

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2014, 08:29:12 pm »
It seemed like more in the text!  Had the feeling of the story trailing off into indeterminate future. 

Khirgwi become the new FREMEN!!!

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2014, 11:14:25 pm »
A thread with a similar premise is in The Judging Eye section:


begins with this:

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 02:18:27 am »
Yes, I vaguely recall shooting down that topic too lol. Headshots all around.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2014, 07:24:53 pm »
Yes, I vaguely recall shooting down that topic too lol. Headshots all around.

Yeah, it's flimsy.  I need to put together a checklist of TUC predictions to see which ones manifest and which ones were decoys.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2014, 04:26:34 am »
Another piece of evidence from WLW?
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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2014, 07:11:12 pm »
Khirgwi become the new FREMEN!!!
Missed this before. Yes!

Another piece of evidence from WLW?
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Lol you won't let it go. Alright Mr. Optimism I'll give you that one ;)

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« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2014, 04:13:30 am »
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2014, 03:34:08 am »
@ Zadok - I hadn't considered that.  Bakker does blur the lines with pov; I'm going to have to reread that part.

@ Wilshire - I got called an optimist!  I need to tell my wife, this could be a first!  Maybe reading Bakker is having a reverse effect on my psyche?

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« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2014, 04:10:22 am »
Believing that the world will be in some condition superior to all life but 144,000 people being systematically killed, and the rest kept as chattel for the pleasure of rape aliens that worship Emptiness and Meaninglessness incarnate, is not exactly the soul of optimism.

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« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2014, 01:06:06 am »
Ah, but is those 144k are then forever in the garden of eden, heaven, etc etc, then optimistic it is. Who cares about the means?

Wow, what an ending, the Inchoroi win, and 4000 years of Earwa atrocities led to heaven.
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« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2014, 01:27:26 am »
Yeah, the heaven created by the Unholy Consult isn't really going to align with people sitting on clouds and playing harps, is it?

Even the idea of globby oyster-fish things with bundles of reeds for mouths  (or whatever they originally looked like) making bag-pipe noises and frolicking happily in Eden seems pretty gross.
Retracing his bloody footprints, the Wizard limped on.

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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2014, 10:41:44 am »
For my part, I thought the text might be hinting that the world lives on simply and not necessarily confined to the 144k scenario hence optimism.  But Sharmat and Curethan you are right, the world could go on living and yet be no better off than a skin spy in a cage!