Matthew 16.26 & The Mandate Catechisms

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« on: May 03, 2015, 11:23:12 pm »
"Though you lose your soul, you shall gain the World." is the first of the Mandate Catechisms.  (In tDtCB and WP, the same catechism is phrased as "Though you lose your soul, you shall win the world.)

Matthew 16.26 from the Bible is:

King James version: "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?"

I cannot imagine this is a coincidence.  Thoughts on the parallels here?
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasûrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2015, 05:01:10 am »
"ULTIMATE COSMIC POWER!  itty-bitty living space."

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« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2015, 02:19:55 pm »
"ULTIMATE COSMIC POWER!  itty-bitty living space."
lmao. rip :/

I'm not up on my bible catechisms, whats the rest of the story, or at least the context. Maybe some insight on where Akka/kellhus/schoolmen will end up?
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« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2015, 03:00:52 pm »
"ULTIMATE COSMIC POWER!  itty-bitty living space."
lmao. rip :/

I'm not up on my bible catechisms, whats the rest of the story, or at least the context. Maybe some insight on where Akka/kellhus/schoolmen will end up?

Yeah, I meant to do that:

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The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus and tested him by asking him to show them a sign from heaven.

2 He replied, “When evening comes, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red,’ 3 and in the morning, ‘Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times. 4 A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.” Jesus then left them and went away.
The Yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees

5 When they went across the lake, the disciples forgot to take bread. 6 “Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.”

7 They discussed this among themselves and said, “It is because we didn’t bring any bread.”

8 Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Peter Declares That Jesus Is the Messiah

13 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?”

14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.
Jesus Predicts His Death

21 From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.

22 Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you!”

23 Jesus turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 25 For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. 26 What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasûrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2015, 03:51:16 pm »
So then the follow up would be
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27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
Since the rest of the Mandate philosophy turns on an Anasurimbor returning, maybe that can be attributed to Kellhus:

Kellhus, the Son of Man, will come to this  [Father] (Moenghus? The Solitary God? Self-Moving Soul?) with his Ciphrang, and save (damn?) each person according to what they have done. Amen, Amen I say to you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see Kellhus coming to his kingdom (Shut out the Gods for Eden on Earth? Creating his own Outside?).

... Thats all I got.
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« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2015, 09:10:08 pm »
sort of related:

"The Logos is without beginning or end."

Logos = word

John 1:1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Become a pure instrument of Logos (word) = grasp the Absolute (the beginning, what comes before all)

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2015, 09:26:18 pm »
Reposting from a wlw thread:


hrrm, and here I was taking the logos to be the word of God, and the universe to be the uttering of the logos.

Which if you think about it make the word of god and the world basically the same thing.

Also has a nice meta thing going for it.  The word of God (RSB) when written down creates the world Earwa.  The writing of the book is the world, the world is the utterance.

In the Beginning was the Logos...
And the Logos was God

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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2015, 12:39:46 pm »
Reposting from a wlw thread:


hrrm, and here I was taking the logos to be the word of God, and the universe to be the uttering of the logos.

Which if you think about it make the word of god and the world basically the same thing.

Also has a nice meta thing going for it.  The word of God (RSB) when written down creates the world Earwa.  The writing of the book is the world, the world is the utterance.

In the Beginning was the Logos...
And the Logos was God

dude, why do you have to steal my insights by saying them first?

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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2015, 02:24:40 am »
The Consult are actually the ones forsaking the world to preserve their souls at all cost, though.

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2015, 07:28:20 pm »
if the Mandate really are damned for attempting to save the world, this is an amazing example of extreme sacrifice

in contrast, Aslan ends up sacrificing nothing since he always knew that he would return.  i don't fault Alsan for doing it, it's a really slick power move to overcome his foe, but it isn't sacrifice like the Mandate