The Slog TDTCB - Part Five: The Holy War [Spoilers]

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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2015, 11:13:17 am »
"You are the first, Chigra, and you will be the last" the thing call Skeaos said.....

The last what?

The first to see their true face I believe.

That'd be my guess, considering the next thing the skin-spy does is try and pop Achamian's grape with its facial limbs. This scene informed much of my Untitled fan-fiction at Bakker's blog.

If that's true, it raises an interesting question then.  If Seswatha had already seen the true face of the spin-spies before, why would the Mandate not know of them?

It would also seem to throw the idea that spin-spies are "new," i.e. made within the last 300 years when the Consult was "out of contact" to the wind, since Seswatha was gone (dead, maybe, I have my doubts) long before that.
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2015, 01:45:24 pm »
No, I took it as specifically Akka was the first Mandati to see a Skin-Spy true face. Chigra is just what they call all Mandate schoolmen.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2015, 02:13:38 pm »
No, I took it as specifically Akka was the first Mandati to see a Skin-Spy true face. Chigra is just what they call all Mandate schoolmen.

Ah, yes, that would make more sense...more sleep, I need it.
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2015, 06:07:47 pm »
"You are the first, Chigra, and you will be the last" the thing call Skeaos said.....

The last what?

The first to see their true face I believe.

That'd be my guess, considering the next thing the skin-spy does is try and pop Achamian's grape with its facial limbs. This scene informed much of my Untitled fan-fiction at Bakker's blog.

If that's true, it raises an interesting question then.  If Seswatha had already seen the true face of the spin-spies before, why would the Mandate not know of them?

It would also seem to throw the idea that spin-spies are "new," i.e. made within the last 300 years when the Consult was "out of contact" to the wind, since Seswatha was gone (dead, maybe, I have my doubts) long before that.

My bold - I'm not sure how you made this inference?
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« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2015, 06:38:39 pm »
My bold - I'm not sure how you made this inference?

Well, presumably, if Seswatha had seen skin-spies before, it would probably be in a dream and so knowledge of everyone in the Mandate.  Even if it never made it into a dream, you would think Seswatha would have told the Mandate something as important as the existence of skin-spies.

In either case, it really doesn't matter, since I am pretty sure MSJ's explanation is actually the correct interpretation.
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« Reply #20 on: December 22, 2015, 10:23:34 pm »
Ah. For my Untitled I basically riffed off that line, in the sense that, the Athrithau Mandate mission would have been the other "first and last" possible place that a Mandate Schoolman - certainly not Seswatha, who would've been dead for 1700 yearsish - would have seen a skin-spy. Assuming that the Mandate really did skirmish with the Mangaecca periodically until about three hundred years ago when the Consult "disappeared" as Achamian's POV in tells us in TDTCB.

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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2015, 07:57:32 pm »
The "impossibly ancient" line still has me thinking that skin-spies are far older than anyone realizes/we are lead to believe.  In other words, they long predate the 300 years of no contact.

Which, if true, means that some people in ancient history may well have been skin-spies.  A big if, mind you.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2015, 05:13:49 pm »
I don't know, the Inchoroi don't seem to be all-in on the diplomacy and subterfuge front when the leave the arc initially.

If the spies have been around, maybe the remaining inchoroi lost the keys to the cryo "thaw" button in the blue room, and only discovered it approx 300 years ago.
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