The Slog TTT - Final March: Chapters 16 & 17 [Spoilers]

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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2016, 02:04:43 pm »
'Not local' is too vague. It, to me, reads that beliefs somewhere affect not just local damnation/metaphysical-law but, potentially, the whole universe. As I said, in agreement with H, this does not preclude beliefs changing reality.

To your point, yes, if zeum wins a new war, they become right.
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One of the other conditions of possibility.

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2016, 04:40:49 pm »
What does a win mean in this context, how do you "win"?


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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2016, 04:45:20 pm »
What does a win mean in this context, how do you "win"?

Last ones standing?

I don't know, I've never quite figured how Zuem really fits into it all...
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2016, 06:02:43 pm »
Winning, in the way that the Inrithi won against the Fanim. In the way that Kellhus won against the thousand temples.

"Winning" - dominating circumstance such that you and others around you believe that you are the victor.

It has everything to do with belief really. The winner is whoever everyone thinks is the winner. Think about it like this: If you thought god was on your side, and then you lost and saw your people decimated, then perhaps you cease to believe that god selected you as the chosen ones.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2016, 08:11:57 pm »
Following on from that if the No-God comes back, pretty much everyone left will suddenly believe he is the saviour, instant conversion.

Also a bit like how Cnaiur describes battle, convince your foe he has lost.

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2016, 08:41:38 pm »
Remeber the secret of battle: conviction makes true .
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2016, 01:41:09 am »
So is it just left to our imagination to figure out how Achamian kills the Ciphrang and what happens with Esmenet.

I honestly feel bad for Conphas, despite what a prick he is. Tactically, he only made sound decisions, and he happened to foiled by Achamian, accidentally.

Left hanging: i dislike that we never hear esmi's thoughts on sarcellus being a skin spy.
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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2016, 11:28:24 am »
So is it just left to our imagination to figure out how Achamian kills the Ciphrang and what happens with Esmenet.

Well, IIRC, as the Ciphrang carries him away, it is steady bleeding (fire).  This always meant to me that it was dying and it's last attempt to kill Akka (because it cannot breach the skin-wards) is to fly high and drop him (I actually think it meant to drop him in the water and hope he drown).
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2016, 03:51:20 pm »
I honestly feel bad for Conphas, despite what a prick he is. Tactically, he only made sound decisions, and he happened to foiled by Achamian, accidentally.

Aside, he still would have been beset from behind by Saubon's forces shortly thereafter. Achamian just hastened Conphas' end (and really, maybe even just weakened the Nansur contingent that would have fought for the Tusk again after Conphas died - as given the trajectory of forces, Saubon would have hit Conphas first at his command post overseeing the field while his forces were deploying against the Holy War).

Also aside, I really enjoy that Achamian gets so caught up in Cnaiur's truth about Kellhus that he only remembers that Cnaiur asked him to warn Proyas about Conphas when Conphas arrives (neither Cnaiur nor Achamian knowing that Kellhus was expecting Saubon's guilt-ridden arrival).

Left hanging: i dislike that we never hear esmi's thoughts on sarcellus being a skin spy.

Damn... no shit.
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