Wracu and Chorae

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« on: March 07, 2016, 07:58:42 pm »

Astonishingly enough, nobody seems to have asked this yet, so here goes:

Why didn't the Consult equip their dragons with Chorae?

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2016, 05:39:14 am »
And there it was - The Question of Questions.
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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 01:11:19 pm »
Mike mentioned this on TPB as the 'question of questions,' but I'm sure this in the books somewhere. Wracu find them painful, for reasons that are hotly contested. One interpretation involves the fact that it's not just places where atrocity wears thin the fabric of the onta. As Wutteat shows, it's beings as well. Wracu, some argue, are demonic in some respect.

Another interpretation turns on the way morality is intrinsic to the ontology of the World. If you look at Chorae as 'logic bombs' designed to obliterate violations of code, then you can chart antipathies to Chorae according to different kinds of violations. Thus the difference between Schoolmen and Cishaurim. Wracu are not simply Inchoroi abominations, they are Inchoroi abominations possessing souls. Like the Cishaurim, they do not so much violate the 'letter' as the 'spirit' of natural law. Chorae are 'ontological stressors' in the latter instance. 


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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 01:35:26 pm »
Mike mentioned this on TPB as the 'question of questions,' but I'm sure this in the books somewhere. Wracu find them painful, for reasons that are hotly contested. One interpretation involves the fact that it's not just places where atrocity wears thin the fabric of the onta. As Wutteat shows, it's beings as well. Wracu, some argue, are demonic in some respect.

I could have missed it, but I don't know that it is there as I have combed the books many times.

Another interpretation turns on the way morality is intrinsic to the ontology of the World. If you look at Chorae as 'logic bombs' designed to obliterate violations of code, then you can chart antipathies to Chorae according to different kinds of violations. Thus the difference between Schoolmen and Cishaurim. Wracu are not simply Inchoroi abominations, they are Inchoroi abominations possessing souls. Like the Cishaurim, they do not so much violate the 'letter' as the 'spirit' of natural law. Chorae are 'ontological stressors' in the latter instance. 

Whoa.  That is a very dense paragraph.  Will probably take me weeks to unpack.

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 01:50:52 pm »
One interpretation involves the fact that it's not just places where atrocity wears thin the fabric of the onta. As Wutteat shows, it's beings as well.

I assume, that this could be applied to The Captain, as well?
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« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2016, 02:12:13 pm »
There it is, folks.
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2016, 02:43:47 pm »
So the Consult can make being with souls. That skin-spy wasn't a mistake?

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2016, 04:37:46 pm »
My original thinking was that dragons were technologically bred abominations, but souled ones and in some ways a part of the Few, their fire breath only coming out on Earwa. Once they started dabbling with sorcery they of course became vulnerable to it. This however makes me think the inspiration for making dragons come from what the Consult saw in the Inverse Fire. Meaning their fire breath could be like...from the fires of hell. That is a very awesome thought.
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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2016, 05:12:56 pm »
So the Consult can make being with souls. That skin-spy wasn't a mistake?

I've always had the feeling  that Wracu were something akin to cyborgs.  The question of why they were souled though was a bit of a mystery though.  Now I have a feeling that they are actually highly grafted Inchoroi augmented with Tekne upgrades, patterened off Wutteat.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2016, 11:45:07 pm »
Painful to the point where they can't function while wearing them? Because pain in return for immunity from the most powerful weapon in Eärwa is not a bad trade.

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 03:30:34 am »
Painful to the point where they can't function while wearing them? Because pain in return for immunity from the most powerful weapon in Eärwa is not a bad trade.
You might be over estimating their power against a dragon

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 03:35:51 am »
That's a good point, I think it's said that wracu were specifically bred to counter gnostic sorcerers.

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 05:28:20 am »
Wow big stuff.

Not only an answer to why wracu don't wear chorae, but also an answer to why the Cishaurim get burned by the chorae in a different way than schoolman. This even relates to why Mimara is able to use her Chorae to "turn" the wight in Cil-Aujas.

Somehow the Chorae, as the manifestations of philosophical paradoxes, are the moral center of the world?

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2016, 04:39:46 am »
Not moral center, that's badly phrased. They're more like literal moral compasses.

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2016, 06:13:20 am »
I wonder if she forgave the wight into oblivion (in this case oblivion is not like a terrible fate so much as a release from damnation torture)
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