[TGO SPOILERS] Head on a pole

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2016, 08:28:16 pm »
He normally says the God speaks to him around world-born though, I thought? He never mentions the No-God's voice to anyone but Moenghus, if I'm not mistaken.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2016, 09:24:55 pm »
He normally says the God speaks to him around world-born though, I thought? He never mentions the No-God's voice to anyone but Moenghus, if I'm not mistaken.

Yea, right. I guess that's why it's so hard to parse what's what.
“No. I am your end. Before your eyes I will put your seed to the knife. I will quarter your carcass and feed it to the dogs. Your bones I will grind to dust and cast to the winds. I will strike down those who speak your name or the name of your fathers, until ‘Yursalka’ becomes as meaningless as infant babble. I will blot you out, hunt down your every trace! The track of your life has come to me,

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2016, 06:50:52 pm »
He normally says the God speaks to him around world-born though, I thought? He never mentions the No-God's voice to anyone but Moenghus, if I'm not mistaken.

Yea, right. I guess that's why it's so hard to parse what's what.

Yeah, he talks about, at different times, the God of Gods, the No-God and the visions.  We do "see" the No-God seeming to speak to him and we do see the visions (someone with his face under that tree) but we are never privy to the actual God of Gods.  Unless, of course, those visions are of himself, or Koringhus, post-Absolute and so is actually the God of Gods.
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasűrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2016, 07:10:54 pm »
God of Gods, No-God, Visions - the not-so-holy trinity.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2016, 07:27:48 pm »
God of Gods, No-God, Visions - the not-so-holy trinity.

And so perhaps also One?
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasűrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2016, 04:11:32 pm »
About the Head on a Pole passage from pages 44-46:
There's One of the Sons of this Place which has crocodile features.
Has one of the Hundred ever been mentioned as having crocodile-features?

I'm intrigued by this, as the whole passage ends with the phrase:
Quote from: The Great Ordeal, p.46
The living shall not haunt the dead
Which could be interesting information as to the nature of the Hundred.
Cuts and cuts and cuts...

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« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2016, 08:00:26 pm »
I think one of the high level ciphrang Iyokus calls is described as crocodilian but that's all I can remember.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2016, 07:58:41 pm »
I have an idea that it's the dead god that the Scylevendi worship.

I also think that it is what the non-men call Anarlű. That's what the nonmen call the god the Scylevendi worship.

And men call it Onkhis, although they seem to be specifically referring to the god now that it is dead, not whatever it was before it died.

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2016, 08:46:52 pm »
I'm pretty sure the Scylvendi are just worshiping the No-God.

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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2016, 11:25:17 pm »
I'm pretty sure the Scylvendi are just worshiping the No-God.

I know that's widely accepted but I don't think I buy it
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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2016, 12:44:46 pm »
I'm pretty sure the Scylvendi are just worshiping the No-God.

I know that's widely accepted but I don't think I buy it

Settled out of text, circa 2005 (and so subject to change or to be discovered a lie, as far as I'm concerned, but it's the evidence as I know it to exist ;) ):

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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2016, 07:29:19 pm »
God of Gods, No-God, Visions - the not-so-holy trinity.

And so perhaps also One?
Exactly.
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2016, 03:08:42 am »
He normally says the God speaks to him around world-born though, I thought? He never mentions the No-God's voice to anyone but Moenghus, if I'm not mistaken.

Pretty sure he mentioned it to Akka, but, that was when they were starting to split off. It may have been in the exact chapter where Achamian starts to confront Kellhus when he finally "see's" the Dunyain. It didn't register for Akka, because he was past listening to Kellhus. In that moment, its hard to also take Kellhus "seriously" as well, versus when he speaks with Moenghus, and self-narrates his "insanity" in hearing the No-God speak.

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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2016, 10:28:51 am »
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The No-God returns, Akka … I’ve seen him! He is as you said. Tsurumah. Mog-Pharau …
“Lies!” Achamian cried. “Lies to spare you my wrath!”

It is near the end of The Warrior Prophet...when Kellhus is circumfixed and tries to convince Achamian to help him.

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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2016, 11:09:16 am »
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The No-God returns, Akka … I’ve seen him! He is as you said. Tsurumah. Mog-Pharau …
“Lies!” Achamian cried. “Lies to spare you my wrath!”

It is near the end of The Warrior Prophet...when Kellhus is circumfixed and tries to convince Achamian to help him.

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“No. I am your end. Before your eyes I will put your seed to the knife. I will quarter your carcass and feed it to the dogs. Your bones I will grind to dust and cast to the winds. I will strike down those who speak your name or the name of your fathers, until ‘Yursalka’ becomes as meaningless as infant babble. I will blot you out, hunt down your every trace! The track of your life has come to me,