K's Mark, Mim's Eye *spoilers*

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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2017, 01:27:45 pm »
Best guess it is that the Outside is beyond time, so when Mimara gained the Judging Eye, she gained it at all times.
Or, from the perspective of the Inside, she always had it.

Indeed.  This has me thinking about Kellhus now.  If he somehow gained some kind of grace in the end, he has always had it now.  Grace is probably the wrong word, but it is the first that comes to mind...
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2017, 02:20:36 pm »
Not to go off on a tangent here, but this stuff with Mimara always having the Eye got me thinking about Kellhus'save haloes. We know they are not sorcerous, that the seemed to only be recognized in the beginning by people who believe he is holy, than later they are a part of him. He doesn't even understand them. Could it be that Kellhus does something that truly makes him holy, and like Mimara always having the Eye, the same is true with the haloes?
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2017, 05:49:07 pm »
Not to go off on a tangent here, but this stuff with Mimara always having the Eye got me thinking about Kellhus'save haloes. We know they are not sorcerous, that the seemed to only be recognized in the beginning by people who believe he is holy, than later they are a part of him. He doesn't even understand them. Could it be that Kellhus does something that truly makes him holy, and like Mimara always having the Eye, the same is true with the haloes?
Always thought of the Haloes as just Virmasta,nothing real.Still pretty interesting thought you have got about it and how it can connect with how time works in Eärwa.
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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2017, 01:16:09 am »
Not to go off on a tangent here, but this stuff with Mimara always having the Eye got me thinking about Kellhus'save haloes. We know they are not sorcerous, that the seemed to only be recognized in the beginning by people who believe he is holy, than later they are a part of him. He doesn't even understand them. Could it be that Kellhus does something that truly makes him holy, and like Mimara always having the Eye, the same is true with the haloes?
Always thought of the Haloes as just Virmasta,nothing real.Still pretty interesting thought you have got about it and how it can connect with how time works in Eärwa.

But, that's the whole point of Viramsata Redeagl, it makes real. And, while he"?'sort done nothing to truly be holy as of yet, it doesn't mean he won't in the future. What I've always loved about them, is that Kellhus is as confused about them as everyone else. He has no fucking clue why they're there. Lol.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2017, 03:36:41 am »
Not to go off on a tangent here, but this stuff with Mimara always having the Eye got me thinking about Kellhus'save haloes.
Problem, Mimara always has the eye, Kellhus acquires the haoles much later in life. Gotta take the outside out of that equation then - its either always, or it isn't.

But, that's the whole point of Viramsata Redeagl, it makes real.
Viramsata is a game they play in Nilnemesh - or some place I can't remember - not a law of metaphysics.


And, while he"?'sort done nothing to truly be holy as of yet, it doesn't mean he won't in the future.
See above. If its the same mechanic as the 'outside existing atemporally' then he either always has the haloes or he doesn't. Since its neither, its necessarily something else other than the Outside. I'm for viramsata in that people are just crazy in Earwa, and massive shared dilusions Inside create some kind of weird but ultimately meaningless changes to reality. So he's got some haloes that some people see, bit woop, that doesn't make him the second coming of Inri Sejenus.


What I've always loved about them, is that Kellhus is as confused about them as everyone else. He has no fucking clue why they're there. Lol.
Agreed. He basically is hopes that Moenghus will explain them, and is disappointed when he's clueless. No one knows anything about them lol.
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2017, 06:35:06 pm »
@Wilshire, on Viramsata, yes it's a game played, I understand that. But, what I at least gathered from the Moe convo, is this is exactly what Kellhus did. Everything about Kellhus in PoN is Viramsata, ergo made up. I thought that what was the explanation of the game was for, to show how Moe planned to give Kellhus the Holy War....through Viramsata.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2017, 03:21:28 am »
Not to go off on a tangent here, but this stuff with Mimara always having the Eye got me thinking about Kellhus'save haloes. We know they are not sorcerous, that the seemed to only be recognized in the beginning by people who believe he is holy, than later they are a part of him. He doesn't even understand them. Could it be that Kellhus does something that truly makes him holy, and like Mimara always having the Eye, the same is true with the haloes?

maybe...