[TGO Spoilers] [ TUC Spoilers] MG teaser 3

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« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2017, 04:12:08 pm »
If Omindalea doesn't make it into the next glossary I'm going to be upset. Sick of this quasi-cannon explanation.

Secret of your blood, to me, appears to be a reference to the Dunyain. At least initially that was my thought. So vague!

Those were initially my thought. But, everyone know she is Dunyain, so that wouldn't be the secret to her accursed blood. The secret is, as of have suggested, the Nonmen blood the Anasūrimbor blood they carry. Hence, Serwa being able to sound exactly like the Torturers wife. That's when it struck him, the Nonmwn lineage.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2017, 04:53:48 pm »
If Omindalea doesn't make it into the next glossary I'm going to be upset. Sick of this quasi-cannon explanation.

Secret of your blood, to me, appears to be a reference to the Dunyain. At least initially that was my thought. So vague!

Those were initially my thought. But, everyone know she is Dunyain, so that wouldn't be the secret to her accursed blood. The secret is, as of have suggested, the Nonmen blood the Anasūrimbor blood they carry. Hence, Serwa being able to sound exactly like the Torturers wife. That's when it struck him, the Nonmwn lineage.
Makes sense. Though I still stand with my theory that Harapior somehow knew of the Dūnyain. Not everyone knows of them, I don't think that Akka's book was distributed there. They may have known of the Dūnyain by the Consult. Wandering in the North and finding Ishüal won't exactly give you much information about them.
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2017, 05:07:01 pm »
Yeah the new non-man king told harpior about the Dunyain from info he got from the consult.

Can't remember the exact words, but the consult know of the Dunyain and they told their puppet king about it. Who told his right hand man.

I also believe the non-man blood is relevant could be relevant.

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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2017, 10:02:06 pm »
But being a Dunyain can't exactly be a secret, no? The Consult have known of the Dunyain for 20 years. And they've certainly kept the puppet state in Ishterebinth informed long before the events of TAE are to be believed; if they used Nonmen from Ishterebinth to finish off Ishual. It's also no secret that Kellhus's children would inherit some of his strength.

The secret in question must the Nonman heritage. But the passage is vague enough, I will admit.

Edit: Here's the salient line: "How does a mortal girl, a captive hidden from sun, sky—even the Gods!—become the terror of the Ishroi, throw all Ishterebinth into uproar?" He bared fused teeth. "But I know. I know what you are—the secret of your obscene line."

Emphasis on the "I". Were he speaking to the collective knowledge of the Consult regarding the Dunyain, surely "we" would've been more appropriate.
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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2017, 03:18:35 am »
 It's hard to think that the secret is something that all or even most.  But why would Hers be the accursed bloodline? A nonmen impregnated a human, who's line lived on with the humans. So why call her that?

I'd be more understanding if there were halfbreeds living amongst the nonmen, but I don't get  it this way around.
 
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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2017, 05:39:15 am »
Xenophobia, the need to repudiate something that is anathema, I don't know.

If we have the Sirwitta/Cimoira issue as a case study, the halfbreed girl was integrated back into the Cunoroi and considered "of the tribe". Anasūrimbor Sanna-Jephera, another halfbreed was integrated into human society, then the Anasūrimbor line goes on. Maybe the issue isn't the miscengenation in itself, but the fact that the Anasurimbor decided to become part of human society and repudiated Nonman culture. Like a human deciding to go into the wilderness and join a sranc tribe, something so utterly absurd so as to be worthy of contempt.

Honestly this reminds me of Elros and Elrond from the Silmarillion. Two Half-Elven twin brothers: the one decides to become fully human and become the first King of Numenor, the other decides to become fully Elf and becomes a great lord of the Noldor.

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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2017, 01:47:03 pm »
Explained that way it makes a bit more sense. Thanks!
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2017, 12:14:15 am »
Xenophobia, the need to repudiate something that is anathema, I don't know.

If we have the Sirwitta/Cimoira issue as a case study, the halfbreed girl was integrated back into the Cunoroi and considered "of the tribe". Anasūrimbor Sanna-Jephera, another halfbreed was integrated into human society, then the Anasūrimbor line goes on. Maybe the issue isn't the miscengenation in itself, but the fact that the Anasurimbor decided to become part of human society and repudiated Nonman culture. Like a human deciding to go into the wilderness and join a sranc tribe, something so utterly absurd so as to be worthy of contempt.

Honestly this reminds me of Elros and Elrond from the Silmarillion. Two Half-Elven twin brothers: the one decides to become fully human and become the first King of Numenor, the other decides to become fully Elf and becomes a great lord of the Noldor.

I like this, particularly the Elros/Elrond bit, which I never thought about at all in relation TSA and definitely seems like it could be an influence.

This is more of a crackpot idea from me, but I do think it's a part of the story in some degree, if not this exact sense, but:

There are a couple references to the "secret of the Anasurimbor blood", the one I'm remembering off the top of my head being the showdown with Maithanet, Inrilatas, and Kelmomas.

Regardless, my suspicion is that, similar to Dune, there are basically two "families" that the Consult (or someone) has been surreptitiously breeding together in order to create some kind of Kwisatz Haderach. One family is the Anasurimbor, the other is/was the Ikurei. They are like the Atreidies and Harkonnens.

One of these two (not sure which) have blood from the Inchoroi in their line. The Inchoroi (particularly Aurang) are very much like the biblical "Watchers", or fallen angels, who bred with humans to create the nephilim ("giants"). The Nonmen might be the Nephilim analogue, but I'm not sure it works quite like that. It might just be Nonman blood, but the Inchoroi's similarities to the Watchers and so on is pretty hard to dismiss.

Now, the name "Ikurei" has two possible etymological roots that I can think of, though I'm certain there are plenty more. The most obvious, I suppose, is that Ikurei looks/sounds very close to "Ichor", which in Greek myth is:

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-the fluid that flows like blood in the veins of the gods.
-any blood-like fluid.
-(archaic) a watery, fetid discharge from a wound.

More obscurely, it could be from the Yoruba mythology/language, which I've thought might be a linguistic influence on the series for a little while now.

In Yoruba, there is Iku, the name for Death, King of the Ajogun (demons). Rei is very common in multiple languages as the title of a king or ruler.

So yeah, I dunno lol. Even assuming the whole Ikurei/Anasurimbor thing is true, I'm not sure which makes more sense to have been the one with the "accursed blood". Gut reaction is the Ikurei since they're the "bad guys" and I definitely don't think the name was pulled out of thin air, but it really could equally apply to the Anasurimbor. Also "they're the bad guys" is, I suspect, a misguided way of looking at just about anything in the series for now.


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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2017, 02:30:33 pm »
I don't get how these teasers work. Was this even a thing I was supposed to care about? I didn't even realize the guy had a son. I don't feel teased.

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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2017, 02:54:43 pm »
I don't get how these teasers work. Was this even a thing I was supposed to care about? I didn't even realize the guy had a son. I don't feel teased.
Next time you get sent a manuscript, you can pick your own teasers :) .
All MG did was become the single largest TSA social media distributor, groom contacts Overlook, contact audiobook publishers, get interviews, and generally convince everyone in the entire chain of command that he was someone important - all without any credentials or proof to support his claims. How hard could it be?
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« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2017, 08:11:01 pm »
I don't get how these teasers work. Was this even a thing I was supposed to care about? I didn't even realize the guy had a son. I don't feel teased.
It is something interesting for us to speculate about that we won't have done without the teaser. I like MG's teasers  :)
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« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2017, 08:43:15 pm »
I don't get how these teasers work. Was this even a thing I was supposed to care about? I didn't even realize the guy had a son. I don't feel teased.
Next time you get sent a manuscript, you can pick your own teasers :) .
All MG did was become the single largest TSA social media distributor, groom contacts Overlook, contact audiobook publishers, get interviews, and generally convince everyone in the entire chain of command that he was someone important - all without any credentials or proof to support his claims. How hard could it be?

Oh, I don't mean to be a dick if it's a fan effort. I was just thinking that the teaser campaign was kinda falling flat for me, because with the exception of the thing about Achamian being deceived, none of it was about things that were already a subject of discussion. I actually went back after seeing this Lord Torturer thing to see if there were any hints in the last book that this could've been a storyline, but didn't see anything. But ahem, kudos for the effort and the passion for the series.

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« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2017, 11:17:13 am »
No worries cuttlefish, I was overly sarcastic there.

I'm almost certain that Overlook and Bakker are not involved with this in any way. Just mrganondorf, aka MG aka Bakkerfans, sharing what he has deemed shareable , trying to build hype

If you spend any time here, you'll notice that MG is a bit eccentric. I rarely understand the way he thinks, but I'm glad he's around.

Anyway, there's a fine line between spoilers and teasers. Everyone has their comfort level.
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« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2017, 03:23:11 pm »
I don't get how these teasers work. Was this even a thing I was supposed to care about? I didn't even realize the guy had a son. I don't feel teased.

I'M SORRY--I WAS TRYING TO DISPLAY SOME TANTALIZING THING TO GET EVERYONE STOKED UP ABOUT TUC WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING A SPOILER