The ways in which Second Apocalypse has influenced your life

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2017, 06:02:33 pm »
I'm more conscious about behavior and what it reveals, although this eye-opener was initiated when reading Dune.

Same - my "path" to greater awareness of reality began with Herbert's works.

Yes - the "correct" order is Herbert, then Bakker ( a more complete progression is Herbert -> Simmons -> Bakker )
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2017, 09:55:14 pm »
I'm more conscious about behavior and what it reveals, although this eye-opener was initiated when reading Dune.

Same - my "path" to greater awareness of reality began with Herbert's works.

Yes - the "correct" order is Herbert, then Bakker ( a more complete progression is Herbert -> Simmons -> Bakker )
Well, I at least read herbert before Simmons lol, but only just barely.
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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2017, 02:29:49 pm »
Yes - the "correct" order is Herbert, then Bakker ( a more complete progression is Herbert -> Simmons -> Bakker )

That's an interesting progression, Tao.
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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2017, 03:14:22 pm »
I'm more conscious about behavior and what it reveals, although this eye-opener was initiated when reading Dune.

Same - my "path" to greater awareness of reality began with Herbert's works.

I feel like I have missed out on something reading Herbert after Bakker :(
You didn't :) Bakker is the superior writer.

As for the series influence on me, it largely affected my path to becoming an emotionless robot.
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2017, 02:16:04 pm »
I strongly reccomend reading the classic History of the Crusades and The fall of Constantinople of sir Steven Runciman - direct or indirect influences for at least the first trilogy.
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« Reply #20 on: July 26, 2017, 02:22:52 pm »
I'm more conscious about behavior and what it reveals, although this eye-opener was initiated when reading Dune.

Same - my "path" to greater awareness of reality began with Herbert's works.

I feel like I have missed out on something reading Herbert after Bakker :(
You didn't :) Bakker is the superior writer.

As for the series influence on me, it largely affected my path to becoming an emotionless robot.

He's certainly a different writer, but Herbert and Simmons are masterful in their turn.

It saddens me you feel that way. Might I ask why you feel Bakker/TSA makes you feel emotionless?
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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2017, 03:17:20 pm »
It saddens me you feel that way. Might I ask why you feel Bakker/TSA makes you feel emotionless?

Emotions are mostly bullshit, don't be sad W.

Perhaps we should congratulate Redeagl on becoming a self-moving soul, or at least trying to be so.
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« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2017, 04:27:54 pm »
It saddens me you feel that way. Might I ask why you feel Bakker/TSA makes you feel emotionless?

Emotions are mostly bullshit, don't be sad W.

Perhaps we should congratulate Redeagl on becoming a self-moving soul, or at least trying to be so.

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« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2017, 04:34:51 pm »
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Well, there is always a manner of degrees.  Hyperbole aside, I think we (humans) should all really strive to be less emotional in general though.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2017, 04:41:56 pm »
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Well, there is always a manner of degrees.  Hyperbole aside, I think we (humans) should all really strive to be less emotional in general though.

Indeed recognizing (to stay on track with the subject) that emotional responses arise in part due to the heuristic nature of our brains processes, and using that recognition to identify and circumvent overly emotional responses to further our ability to communicate, is an outcome I can get behind. And, thanks to TSA and Bakker, I have at least the language to understand what I just said - if not a complete scientific understand of it as piece of a greater whole.

That said, being emotionless implies, to me, more of an inability to identify at all what emotions are, which leads to a greater breakdown in communication, and therefore, is a non-ideal result - until a whole of society operates on this same level, in which case it becomes more vestigial than otherwise :) .
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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2017, 05:40:41 pm »
:(

Well, there is always a manner of degrees.  Hyperbole aside, I think we (humans) should all really strive to be less emotional in general though.

Indeed recognizing (to stay on track with the subject) that emotional responses arise in part due to the heuristic nature of our brains processes, and using that recognition to identify and circumvent overly emotional responses to further our ability to communicate, is an outcome I can get behind. And, thanks to TSA and Bakker, I have at least the language to understand what I just said - if not a complete scientific understand of it as piece of a greater whole.

That said, being emotionless implies, to me, more of an inability to identify at all what emotions are, which leads to a greater breakdown in communication, and therefore, is a non-ideal result - until a whole of society operates on this same level, in which case it becomes more vestigial than otherwise :) .
It's funny, I've lately started to repeat the mantra "It arises from the passions" inside my head to calm myself when something annoys/disgusts me.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2017, 07:04:12 pm »
Quote from:  tleilaxu
It's funny, I've lately started to repeat the mantra "It arises from the passions" inside my head to calm myself when something annoys/disgusts me.

But, even then, your not recognizing your "darkness" at you're inability to control you're feelings when they don't conform to the world around you...

You say it something you heard that is annoying/disgusting. But, what are those feeling but the darkness that rises within you? Legion. Its why I don't even begin to try and understand it. You guys have a field day...or,  a years worth of tumbling down the dark hole that's philosophy. ;)
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« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2017, 03:55:37 am »
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It's funny, I've lately started to repeat the mantra "It arises from the passions" inside my head to calm myself when something annoys/disgusts me.

But, even then, your not recognizing your "darkness" at you're inability to control you're feelings when they don't conform to the world around you...

You say it something you heard that is annoying/disgusting. But, what are those feeling but the darkness that rises within you? Legion. Its why I don't even begin to try and understand it. You guys have a field day...or,  a years worth of tumbling down the dark hole that's philosophy. ;)
What would you need philosophy for? You can just e.g. take Newton's laws and extrapolate. Just saved yourself years of reading there  8)
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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2017, 05:39:57 am »
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It's funny, I've lately started to repeat the mantra "It arises from the passions" inside my head to calm myself when something annoys/disgusts me.

But, even then, your not recognizing your "darkness" at you're inability to control you're feelings when they don't conform to the world around you...

You say it something you heard that is annoying/disgusting. But, what are those feeling but the darkness that rises within you? Legion. Its why I don't even begin to try and understand it. You guys have a field day...or,  a years worth of tumbling down the dark hole that's philosophy. ;)
I always thought that argument strange. Without those feelings, is there any you?

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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2017, 12:19:14 pm »
Quote from:  tleilaxu
It's funny, I've lately started to repeat the mantra "It arises from the passions" inside my head to calm myself when something annoys/disgusts me.

But, even then, your not recognizing your "darkness" at you're inability to control you're feelings when they don't conform to the world around you...

You say it something you heard that is annoying/disgusting. But, what are those feeling but the darkness that rises within you? Legion. Its why I don't even begin to try and understand it. You guys have a field day...or,  a years worth of tumbling down the dark hole that's philosophy. ;)
I always thought that argument strange. Without those feelings, is there any you?

I was gonna say ... aren't emotions what makes it fun to be a human? When my father died, I thanked God for blessing me with the kind of father whose absence would make me feel so awful ... made me feel so alive, so cool to feel so deeply ... to use Bakker language, to live so hot.
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