[TUC Spoilers] Psalm of Imimorūl

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 02:35:04 pm »
Yeah, deo gratias for that. Lol.
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2017, 04:42:00 pm »
Well, seems like Adam mixed with Satan though, spiced with a sort of reverse Eve.

A very Bakker combination...
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2017, 06:43:06 pm »
It's rendered complete in the Glossary, along with a lot of other great tidbits about Nonman history and beliefs. For instance, Quya translates as 'miner'.

So apparently the Quya do not share the same human disdain for using sorcery for mundane purposes ;)?
Or by analogy they mine reality and meaning


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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2017, 06:27:43 pm »
Yeah, deo gratias for that. Lol.

Lol.

It's rendered complete in the Glossary, along with a lot of other great tidbits about Nonman history and beliefs. For instance, Quya translates as 'miner'.

So apparently the Quya do not share the same human disdain for using sorcery for mundane purposes ;)?
Or by analogy they mine reality and meaning

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2017, 11:20:05 am »
I was just reading this again, and one line has me confused.

"the myriads that bolt through this blessed hair".

...the Nonmen don't have any whatsoever.

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« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2017, 05:14:06 pm »
I was just reading this again, and one line has me confused.

"the myriads that bolt through this blessed hair".

...the Nonmen don't have any whatsoever.

Nice catch!  Makes me wonder if they had hair before the Inoculation; chemotherepies often causes alopecia, maybe it was the same for the Inoculation?  And after it was administered, they didn't regrow those cells...

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2017, 05:29:20 pm »
I interpreted hair as a metaphor for trees/plant life.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2017, 06:49:17 pm »
Yeah, I came to that conclusion that it indicated trees/mountains/grass being the "hair" of the world.

Still reckon Imimorūl was bald as an egg.

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« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2017, 07:02:20 pm »
I was just reading this again, and one line has me confused.

"the myriads that bolt through this blessed hair".

...the Nonmen don't have any whatsoever.

Nice catch!  Makes me wonder if they had hair before the Inoculation; chemotherepies often causes alopecia, maybe it was the same for the Inoculation?  And after it was administered, they didn't regrow those cells...

When were the sranc created? If they existed before the Inoculation (I don't remember that now) the Nonmen were already bald, because I asume the sranc were created hairless.
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2017, 07:15:36 pm »
Imimorūl apparently cut off his shield arm, fed its pieces to lions, to birth the whole species of Nonpeople, to escape the Gods in the deepest parts of the ground...

But yeah... don't know why he could have had Fabio-hair either ;)?

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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2017, 10:12:04 am »
I interpreted hair as a metaphor for trees/plant life.
Yes, but why would a poet of an utterly hairless species use that metaphor in the first place? Logically, Nonmen shouldn't even have a word for 'hair'. 'Fur' or 'pelt', of course, because of animals (and the Emwama would surely have been seen as just another animal), but not 'hair' with its (for want of a better term) human connotations. Yet the poem deliberately uses the word 'hair'. It's odd.
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2017, 04:54:54 pm »
I interpreted hair as a metaphor for trees/plant life.
Yes, but why would a poet of an utterly hairless species use that metaphor in the first place? Logically, Nonmen shouldn't even have a word for 'hair'. 'Fur' or 'pelt', of course, because of animals (and the Emwama would surely have been seen as just another animal), but not 'hair' with its (for want of a better term) human connotations. Yet the poem deliberately uses the word 'hair'. It's odd.
Maybe the People of Dawn had hair once, before they became totally subterranean.

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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2017, 07:54:31 pm »
If this humanoid race is older enough that could be.
Maybe in a million of years of evolution human will all be bald as Nonmen. At least this "evolution" started in my head long ago, lol.
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« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2017, 04:05:59 pm »
For similar Creation analogies you also have the Greek mythology (first the Creation, then later Prometheus stealing the Fire), God creating humanity according to Genesis or other cabalistic traditions, the Sumerian tradition, and most certainly a myriad of other versions. Most rely on being created from clay and recieving a divine impulse through either a pičce of the divine (either physical piece, or a breath).
 And let's also not forget Aulė creating the dwarves in the Silmarillion (I believe: created from stone, under the largest mountains?).

Why the use of the word "hair"? Possibly just because we read Sorweel's interpretation of the text?
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2017, 07:31:04 pm »
Why the use of the word "hair"? Possibly just because we read Sorweel's interpretation of the text?
That's a good point. 'Hair' could just be how the Amiolas translates the concept from Ihrimsu because it's being worn by a human.

Stepping away from the hairy issue for a moment. Could there be any connection between Imimorul supposedly coming from the sky and the Nonman association of depth with the past and altitude with the future (c.f. the Great Pit of Years)?
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