[TUC Spoilers]Deus Ex Machina - Implausibilities - Running out of Steam

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« Reply #135 on: August 03, 2017, 05:37:45 pm »
Kelmomas was simply escorted inside by a skin spy on the orders of the Consult. Why is that hard to believe?

Because you're pulling this entirely out of your own ass!

I just read his entrance into the golden room and the end of his captivity - Esmenet brings him a file, as he did for Inrilatas. There is absolutely zero textual support that either a) a Skin-Spy brought him or b) the Consult invited him. Unless I'm missing something in between those two moments or an AMA answer (which, by all means, I'm all ears!) there's no compelling reason to make this inference.

You're doing the author's work for him.
If that were true I might feel the same way but you seem to have somehow totally missed the scene where an escaped Kelmomas encounters a Skin-Spy wearing Esmenet's face that picks him up.

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« Reply #136 on: August 03, 2017, 05:40:41 pm »
The passage in question:

The blond child paused to regard him, smeared blood across his cheek for wiping his nose.
“An-Anas—!” Migagurit sputtered through blood. “Anasûrimbor!”
He could feel the fall pulling at him. He knew that blood drained about his head and shoulders,
glazing the nub of the boulder ... greasing his way ...
The boy leapt upon his chest, where he crouched like a monkey, peering into his eyes. The
plummet pulled upon the tonguewalker’s bulk, threatened to peel him from his every point of earthly
contact.
“Where do Scylvendi go?” the boy asked with insouciant curiosity. The Nail of Heaven conjured
a silver nimbus about his head.
Migagurit croaked and blubbered. With belief, came terror.
The boy nodded. “Somewhere scary ...” he said musing.
“Like everyone else, then.”
The man tried to cry out, but the boy had crushed all breath remaining. The fall continued clawing
at him.
“Leave him,” a feminine voice called from somewhere above.
A rib popped in the meat of him, so violently did the boy leap in reaction.
Outrageous agony, but mealy with the promise of respite. Migagurit somehow drew his head up
from his paralytic misery. He saw the boy, knife brandished, his stance wide and wary, standing
before a figure garbed all in black. A once-beautiful woman growing long in her years ...
The Empress?
The drop clutched at him, fumbled for some purchase ...
“You’re not my mother,” the boy declared.
A cross smile.
“I can be whatever you need me to be.”
The woman reached out her hand ... a man’s hand.
The plummet firmed its grip, then yanked the Son of hard-hearted Shanyorta over the edge.

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« Reply #137 on: August 03, 2017, 05:43:45 pm »
Kelmomas was simply escorted inside by a skin spy on the orders of the Consult. Why is that hard to believe?
Because you're pulling this entirely out of your own ass!

I just read his entrance into the golden room and the end of his captivity - Esmenet brings him a file, as he did for Inrilatas. There is absolutely zero textual support that either a) a Skin-Spy brought him or b) the Consult invited him. Unless I'm missing something in between those two moments or an AMA answer (which, by all means, I'm all ears!) there's no compelling reason to make this inference.

You're doing the author's work for him.
If that were true I might feel the same way but you seem to have somehow totally missed the scene where an escaped Kelmomas encounters a Skin-Spy wearing Esmenet's face that picks him up.

It happens the evening before the battle.  Little Kel hobbles and then kills the Scylvendi Memorialist.  Then he meets a Skin-Spy wearing his mother's face.   It's the penultimate scene in Chapter 13. 

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« Reply #138 on: August 03, 2017, 05:59:57 pm »
Right, scene quoted. Hopefully that clears up the confusion. A lot of people read really fast and missed things. Forgivable as we waited so long.

BTW, who is Shanyorta?
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« Reply #139 on: August 03, 2017, 06:11:47 pm »
As much as I want to persist, I'm willing to take the L on this one

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« Reply #140 on: August 03, 2017, 06:17:26 pm »
It wouldn't be TSA if we didn't beat the horse till it died, and persisted after just in case ;) . Glad you're back.
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« Reply #141 on: August 03, 2017, 06:19:34 pm »
If that were the case it seems like missing something obvious. It's not a coincidence he's in the Golden Room at that time. A skin spy found him and brought him to its Consult masters. Kelmomas/Samarmas, in fear of his/their/its life, tries to be useful like he tried with Kellhus and mentions how the powers that be can't see him. The Dunyain keep him there as a contingency, a calculated risk. If what he's saying is true they don't have to contest with their brother, they can simply dispose of him and use Kelmomas/Samarmas.

We don't even have to go that far.  He's an Anasurimbor.  He's valuable enough to keep around as a back up even if he reveals nothing. 

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« Reply #142 on: August 03, 2017, 06:25:59 pm »
As much as I want to persist, I'm willing to take the L on this one
I've missed bigger things than that in the series. It happens.

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« Reply #143 on: August 03, 2017, 07:18:43 pm »
BTW, who is Shanyorta?

Assumptively Migagurit's father. I'm willing to bet that Son in that instance isn't supposed to be capitalized.

It wouldn't be TSA if we didn't beat the horse till it died, and persisted after just in case ;) . Glad you're back.

Indeed. Welcome back, Bolivar :).
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« Reply #144 on: August 03, 2017, 09:11:13 pm »
Yeah I don't get why that's hard. Kelmomas escapes the day before, is found by skin spy. Does it take more than 18 hours to walk from the ordeal camp to the golden room? Why wouldn't he be there?

Compared to everything else going on, this is a pretty mundane issue of walking from point a to point b.

I assume those that think otherwise have reasoning behind it that I just don't see. Can someone please do me the honor of pointing out the obvious?

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They are using their subjective level of surprise as an objective measure of improbability.

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« Reply #145 on: August 03, 2017, 09:46:40 pm »
The bigger question is what the hell files are made from in Eärwa. Some kind of titanium microfilament?

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« Reply #146 on: August 03, 2017, 10:21:00 pm »
Yeah I don't get why that's hard. Kelmomas escapes the day before, is found by skin spy. Does it take more than 18 hours to walk from the ordeal camp to the golden room? Why wouldn't he be there?

Compared to everything else going on, this is a pretty mundane issue of walking from point a to point b.

I assume those that think otherwise have reasoning behind it that I just don't see. Can someone please do me the honor of pointing out the obvious?

*Puts on Dunyain hat*
They are using their subjective level of surprise as an objective measure of improbability.

Lol, I can dig it.
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« Reply #147 on: August 04, 2017, 01:18:44 pm »
Yeah I don't get why that's hard. Kelmomas escapes the day before, is found by skin spy. Does it take more than 18 hours to walk from the ordeal camp to the golden room? Why wouldn't he be there?

Compared to everything else going on, this is a pretty mundane issue of walking from point a to point b.

I assume those that think otherwise have reasoning behind it that I just don't see. Can someone please do me the honor of pointing out the obvious?

*Puts on Dunyain hat*
They are using their subjective level of surprise as an objective measure of improbability.

Lol, I can dig it.

Indeed :).
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« Reply #148 on: August 27, 2017, 10:40:43 pm »
I'm actually getting curious to know what various endings people were anticipating or would have preferred after the fact?

I wanted to see Khellus defeat the consult, but only as a means to the end of defeating the true bad guys in the series, the gods.  I wanted to see Khellus subdue the gods and save Earwa.  Call me an idealist.  LOL.  I would have been happy with Khellus winning but then turning out to be a bad dude who enslaves the earth (and it really looked like that was the way it was gonna go for a minute and I was fine with that), but that first one was my ideal ending.  It wasn't necessarily my expected ending, but it would have made me the most happy.

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« Reply #149 on: August 28, 2017, 12:11:49 pm »
The bigger question is what the hell files are made from in Eärwa. Some kind of titanium microfilament?
You don't think a regular steel file would've been able to cut through some iron chains?