Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*

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« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2017, 04:52:50 pm »
This was something I was wondering as well (he says he practices other Arcana in TWP and Saccarees spells dissipate against his wards), but I was planning on saving it for the AMA tomorrow to help bolster the comment count :O.

You know, I spent literally years trying to understand how Aurang could know both Aporetic and the Gnosis on the strength of that "other Arcana" comment, only to realize I critically misunderstood what he said.  I am pretty sure now what he means is that it is easy to walk through Wards when the person who cast them is busy casting other magic.  In other words, Akka's Wards are not very effective while he is training Kellhus.

I do still wonder if someone could know both the Aporetics and the Gnosis though.
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« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2017, 05:41:00 pm »
(Just my luck, I am gone for 4 days and C'jara-Cinmoi himself descends to the forum to answer questions...)

Anyway, I would like to join everyone in thanking Scott for these amazing series. I've only been a fan for less than a year, but it has been a throughly enjoyable experience so far.

I have a few questions as well (I had more, but these are the ones I haven't seen answered yet):
-Was Mimara's 6-month long pregnancy deliberate?
-Will we ever find out what Aulisi's fate was?
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« Reply #182 on: August 01, 2017, 07:43:07 pm »
This is straightforward in the text.  Earwa is a world where everything has already happened, forward and backward in time.  So the fact that the Gods can't see the Ark or the Consult implies that they succeed at some point in the future.  It's the same reason why the Gods can't see Kelmomas.

Except the way the gods intercede to alter the flow of history (and fail) implies that is only true in the Outside. Same with the way that prophecy effects the past. It's a real brain-bender and is not that straightforward to many of us.

I agree with Jurble. Everything has already happened forward and back in time, including the actions of the gods. Yatwer makes the first White Luck thinking it has 100% chance of succeeding, once it fails she and the future she sees changes so she pick Sorweel to finish the job. But she has already picked out Sorweel before the first one fails! So even if she couldn't foresee the future where the first White Luck fails, it was still doomed to fail, otherwise the updated version of Yatwer (the one that knows the White Luck failed) wouldn't have picked Sorweel. So it seems like there is one future bound to happen, even if the gods can't see it.

See? Super straight forward. (jk)
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« Reply #183 on: August 01, 2017, 07:48:18 pm »
It wouldn't be a Bakker thread if it didn't gnarl its way off in a direction random and kinda making sense at the same time!! Plus more posts popped up while I typed this, so...

As for your analogy you're ignoring a vital difference.  Yes, I do go to a grocery store and pay for my groceries.  If I took them without paying, that's theft.  The difference here is that no physical copy is actually taken.  Suppose we developed the technology to just replicate food like in Star Trek.  Would that be stealing?  That's a closer analogy than stealing food at a supermarket.
A physical copy is indeed taken? Digitizing isn't supernatural.

And star trek doesn't explain if people it's setting have to pay for the energy of replication, or if they have some kind of socialist (or something like that) system that would actual support an author and his/her family, rather than leave them to the winds of the open market.

Assuming star trek has some kind of 'look after each other' system, you seem to be treating it that being able to copy books means we have that benefit of the star trek world as well? As if social care goes hand in hand with technology? It sounds like a faith in technology.


ThoughtsofThelli,

You managed to plot out the number of months of the pregnancy? The detective skills of some fantasy readers is amazing :)

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« Reply #184 on: August 01, 2017, 09:45:54 pm »
ThoughtsofThelli,

You managed to plot out the number of months of the pregnancy? The detective skills of some fantasy readers is amazing :)

Back when I first read the series, I was curious about when Mimara would give birth (also as a way to try to figure out how much time TUC would span). I noticed that the chapter in which she had sex with Achamian took place in early spring of 4132. Come TUC, she gave birth in early autumn of 4132, so she was only pregnant for around 6 months (and I don't think it's a matter of seasons being longer in Erwa, because looking back at PON Serw was pregnant from spring to winter of 4111).
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« Reply #185 on: August 01, 2017, 09:50:22 pm »
Would The Judging Eye be able to see Kelmomas? If he is invisible to the gods, and the Judging Eye is (I think?) a manifestation of the gods or one god or the god of gods, then would he be invisible to it?

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« Reply #186 on: August 01, 2017, 10:52:09 pm »
I created a new thread for the content derailing this thread, Midlist Authors & Online Piracy.

I'll probably even join in on the conversation if it continues therein. I've always enjoyed sounding Bakker on a variety of subjects but the growing back and forth really takes away from fans who simply want to take the opportunity to ask questions.

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« Reply #187 on: August 02, 2017, 12:42:52 am »
Thanks, Madness.

If it's not too late to ask anything with the AMA being tomorrow and all...

How would you define death in the context of TSA's universe? It's something that I've been curious about considering the physics we've seen. Perhaps this is a question with an obvious answer, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on it. We know that Heaven and Hell (for lack of better words) exist, as well as "Oblivion". We know that when a person "dies" in the physical sense their soul moves on to another place and continues to experience things, good or bad. Is death the act of your soul moving to one of these places (i.e leaving your body permanently), or is death simply related only to a creature's physical form, regardless of where the soul goes (i.e what happened to Malowebi)? Is there a form of soul "death" (moving to Oblivion, perhaps)?

Would Malowebi still be considered "alive" because he has a consciousness (his soul?) tied to the world?



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« Reply #188 on: August 02, 2017, 01:56:12 am »
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I'm still currently trying to see how feasible it would be to attend Zauduyanicon or BakkerCon! on as I prefer to call it.  I'm hoping this disagreement won't prevent you from signing my books.

[I edited out the paragraphs here since they pertain to our private Piracy argument and posted the complete reply in Madness' new thread.]

With respect, and this is a self serving request, I ask that you reconsider your stance on alternate sources of revenue if this issue really concerns you.  I'm trying to bridge our disagreement into a productive request.  There were a handful of people here already showing interest in action figures.  The custom Kellhus figure I mentioned earlier will probably cost me over $500 to make and that's largely because you pay a premium for custom work if there's no official stuff to buy.  I would support you via patron if you ever decided to go that route.  Wilshire was upgrading your books into these awesome leatherbound and I said I would only sign up for a set  if you would agree to sign them as a semi official first edition collector set.  Your fans are dying to support you if you let us.

Consider this an olive branch.  I feel l have supported my position enough [refer to Madness' new thread if you wish] so you can at least see where I stand even though I know we will continue to disagree.  I firmly believe consumers generally want to and continue to prove even today that they do prefer to support creators.

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« Reply #189 on: August 02, 2017, 10:58:37 am »
Would The Judging Eye be able to see Kelmomas? If he is invisible to the gods, and the Judging Eye is (I think?) a manifestation of the gods or one god or the god of gods, then would he be invisible to it?
The is a scene in TUC where it does. It sees the whirlwind.

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« Reply #190 on: August 02, 2017, 03:40:54 pm »
Would The Judging Eye be able to see Kelmomas? If he is invisible to the gods, and the Judging Eye is (I think?) a manifestation of the gods or one god or the god of gods, then would he be invisible to it?
The is a scene in TUC where it does. It sees the whirlwind.

I'm trying to find this scene. I went back and re-read the scene where Mimara first appears at the Umbilicus and there is a scene (though it's from Kel's POV) and it mentions that she seems not to see him at first, seems to look through him, and then she slowly smiles as if he suddenly appears (maybe the Judging Eye closing?). So I think that answers my question. If you happen to find the scene where she sees the whirlwind when looking at him I'd be interested. Thanks.

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« Reply #191 on: August 02, 2017, 09:30:46 pm »
The AMA is finished, but I am still hungry. I hope Bakker will return to serve some Meat. In this case; Can you confirm or deny that Likaro will appear on-screen ( well,on-page in this case)  in TNG?
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« Reply #192 on: August 16, 2017, 05:59:56 pm »
Would The Judging Eye be able to see Kelmomas? If he is invisible to the gods, and the Judging Eye is (I think?) a manifestation of the gods or one god or the god of gods, then would he be invisible to it?
The is a scene in TUC where it does. It sees the whirlwind.

I'm trying to find this scene. I went back and re-read the scene where Mimara first appears at the Umbilicus and there is a scene (though it's from Kel's POV) and it mentions that she seems not to see him at first, seems to look through him, and then she slowly smiles as if he suddenly appears (maybe the Judging Eye closing?). So I think that answers my question. If you happen to find the scene where she sees the whirlwind when looking at him I'd be interested. Thanks.
I think this might be a reference to when she sees the No-God after he descends from the Ark under an illusion. She's the only one who can seemingly see through said illusion.

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« Reply #193 on: August 30, 2017, 05:01:07 pm »
Meat can be hard on the digestion, I know. I have a little salad I can offer, for those suffering more extreme bowel cramps.

Was Maithanet damned?
What is reason, but the blindness of the soul?

R. SCOTT RAP3ZT TERRIBLEZ LOLZ.

if Kellhus was thinking all of this, he's going to freak out when he get's back and Kelmomas is all "i lieks to eatum peeples da"

the whole thing is orchestrated by Kellhus who is wearing a Bashrag as if it were a suit

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« Reply #194 on: August 30, 2017, 05:55:20 pm »
Meat can be hard on the digestion, I know. I have a little salad I can offer, for those suffering more extreme bowel cramps.

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What is reason, but the blindness of the soul?

R. SCOTT RAP3ZT TERRIBLEZ LOLZ.

if Kellhus was thinking all of this, he's going to freak out when he get's back and Kelmomas is all "i lieks to eatum peeples da"

the whole thing is orchestrated by Kellhus who is wearing a Bashrag as if it were a suit