Did the Consult change Esmenets womb to withstand Kellhus's seed?

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« on: October 04, 2017, 03:27:04 am »
Hey guys, first time posting, I wish i knew about this site through the entire series ><

While I was reading TUC, I had a flash back to when Esmenet was visited by the Consult (By skin-spy, or by Aurang himself, different forums say different things and i havent read the first book in about 10 years so i cant remember) and her womb was filled with black seed? I had a thought that maybe they were conditioning Esmenets womb to bear kellhus's children in order to use in the Carapace. After reading the end of TUC I thought there was some merit to it, considering the line of Anasurimbor had been used before, and since Kellhus didnt succumb to the Mutilated reasoning they used his son.

It seems like something the consult would do if they saw that far into events, having a contingency plan to bring about the No-God again. Just curious what other people might think.
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2017, 01:47:38 am »
This is a interesting thought but the Consult didn't know Kellhus existed back then they were trailing Akka.
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2017, 02:46:25 am »
Your bring up an interesting point which raises the bar on the TTT - was Kellhus the only one who could perceive it? Could be Shae ( or some Consult ) could see paths into the future as well ( no real evidence supporting this just yet, but maybe ) ... that or the Consult have an alliance with a god who can see back/forward in time ( Shae is not Inchoroi, so is visible to the gods and he may be aligned with one of them - Yatwer? Why Yatwer hunting Kellhus - why specifically her and not others? ).
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 11:06:58 am »
Well, I have said it elsewhere, but I'll leave the idea here too.  If Kelmomas was always the No-God and so Mimara always the God of Gods (or it's vessile(?), eye (?)) then it stands to the same sort of reason that Esmenet has always been the mother of the No-God and the God of Gods.  In other words, the place through which both enter the world.
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2018, 01:51:09 pm »
Esmenet has always been the mother of the No-God and the God of Gods.  In other words, the place through which both enter the world.

Never thought of that. Esmenet brings into the world both the only true prophet and the tool of the world's ultimate demise.
And ignorant of both.
If ignorance is holy, she's an archangel.
One of the other conditions of possibility.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2018, 02:58:31 pm »
Never thought of that. Esmenet brings into the world both the only true prophet and the tool of the world's ultimate demise.
And ignorant of both.
If ignorance is holy, she's an archangel.

I guess we could  consider her a holy instrument?

See, I think it's entirely plausible that Serwë is actually damned.  Her ignorance is mighty, but she intensely and without any doubt was adamant in her devotion to Kellhus, who is a false prophet.  Esmenet always had doubt.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2018, 03:57:26 pm »
Hmm, but you can be ignorant and have certainty.
In fact, the two usually go hand-in-hand: the more you know, the more you know you dont.
One of the other conditions of possibility.

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2018, 08:49:13 pm »
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Hmm, but you can be ignorant and have certainty.
In fact, the two usually go hand-in-hand: the more you know, the more you know you dont.

Like Koringhus? He understood his ignorance, and I believe he was saved by the God or whatever is behind the eye.
“No. I am your end. Before your eyes I will put your seed to the knife. I will quarter your carcass and feed it to the dogs. Your bones I will grind to dust and cast to the winds. I will strike down those who speak your name or the name of your fathers, until ‘Yursalka’ becomes as meaningless as infant babble. I will blot you out, hunt down your every trace! The track of your life has come to me,

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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 11:45:03 am »
Hmm, but you can be ignorant and have certainty.
In fact, the two usually go hand-in-hand: the more you know, the more you know you dont.

Sure, I am not contesting that.  But Esmenet, even when duped, still doubted, where Serwë did not.
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasûrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira