[TUC Spoilers] Tolkien & Eucatastrophe

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« on: December 08, 2017, 05:45:47 pm »
Alright, who is holding out? How come I've never heard this brought up in relation to Bakker's writing before.

This is just one of many, many articles I've suddenly discovered - I have previously read Tolkien's On Fairy Stories a number of times, though pre-TUC.

How come no one has ever asked Bakker a question about this?

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2017, 06:09:27 pm »
I had hopes that there would be an eucatastrophic moment at the end of TUC, but Bakker is philosophically the polar opposite of Tolkien, and it was a vain hope.

Perhaps the conclusion of TUC can be seen as eucatastrophic if you take the perspective of the Consult....all five of them (six, I guess, if you count Shae).
"The heart of any other, because it has a will, would remain forever mysterious."

-from "Snow Falling On Cedars", by David Guterson

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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2017, 06:29:16 pm »
Or Bakker's thought was "[j]ust as light is unperceivable without darkness, so too is eucatastrophe meaningless without the presence of discatastrophe or 'sorrow and failure'" (On Fairy-Stories 153).
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2017, 07:51:11 pm »
That would be my hope for the proposed TNG series.

One of the reasons for my deepening animus towards TUC is the "Our Salvation" scene, which gives us a glimpse of the eucatastrophic possibility only to snatch it away and replace it with the Grand Discatastrophe of System Resumption.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2017, 07:56:49 pm »
That would be my hope for the proposed TNG series.

One of the reasons for my deepening animus towards TUC is the "Our Salvation" scene, which gives us a glimpse of the eucatastrophic possibility only to snatch it away and replace it with the Grand Discatastrophe of System Resumption.
You'd have preferred Ajokli reigning supreme  :o ?

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2017, 08:06:46 pm »
That would be my hope for the proposed TNG series.

One of the reasons for my deepening animus towards TUC is the "Our Salvation" scene, which gives us a glimpse of the eucatastrophic possibility only to snatch it away and replace it with the Grand Discatastrophe of System Resumption.
You'd have preferred Ajokli reigning supreme  :o ?

I'd prefer a denouement that wasn't a choice between two Grand Discatastrophes.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2017, 08:33:02 pm »
I'm a simpleton, just pulling from something cool/fun to read - no expectations from me.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2017, 09:25:27 pm »
I'm a simpleton, just pulling from something cool/fun to read - no expectations from me.
Hey, Tao, I'm just relieved that I used "denouement" correctly. Wasn't sure until I looked it up just now..... :)
« Last Edit: December 09, 2017, 04:01:41 am by BeardFisher-King »
"The heart of any other, because it has a will, would remain forever mysterious."

-from "Snow Falling On Cedars", by David Guterson