eSports vs Sports

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« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2018, 09:00:58 pm »
Any gamers out there using PED's? Nah, didn't think so.

That really isn't true, even though this is an aside.  Gamers absolutely do use drugs to increase their performance.  How widespread is it?  I have no idea.

I've played a competitive card game for many years and I have personally known people to take something like ritalin or adderall before a tournament to try to "get an edge."  It does happen, even if it might not happen as often as it would in an athletic sport.
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« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2018, 09:10:10 pm »
Gamers use adah medicine all the time, was actually a scandal about it.

Adderall pills. Performance-enhancing drugs are a staple of the sports world. ... But PEDs are bleeding into the world of eSports, where professional video game players need to be at the top of their cognitive game.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/how-adderall-is-used-in-esports-2015-7?r=US&IR=T

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« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2018, 12:05:30 am »
Those are just speeders.....norhingbdifferent different than a graduate student using to stay awake all night.
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« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2018, 01:11:13 am »
Those are just speeders.....norhingbdifferent different than a graduate student using to stay awake all night.

It's performance enhancing.

My secret specialist subject is doping in Sports(I'm an old cycling fan and we know how the pudding is made) . Testosterone occurs naturally in the body but take extraneous amounts and you give yourself a huge advantage. Or Salbutamol which is just an asthma medicine but can be used to dope as well, in fact the current greatest cyclist in the word chris froome has an adverse finding for that very thing. It's in the process of administration.

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« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2018, 04:42:35 pm »
Watching a superb example of the backfire effect taking place right here. Doesn't matter how much evidence you give someone - if they are hell bent on believing something else, evidence to the contrary makes them double down.
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« Reply #50 on: March 03, 2018, 10:08:46 pm »
I've already said I don't care what you call it. Its still not a sport? Is 21 year olds studying for exams engaging in a sport becauae the use speeders? Speeders are truly not a PED. Its a drug that makes you stay up all night wether you want to or not.
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« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2018, 10:41:55 pm »
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It's performance enhancing.

For some, no doubt. Others not so much. It puts the to sleep.

I get why a gamer would use them, but it doesn't change the fact it isn't a sport. Frankly we're at a impasse. I'm not gonna budge that playing video games is a sport, its not by the very definition of the word. I've already said you can call it whatever you want and it doesn't make it true. Its for advertising purposes, purely.
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« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2018, 11:02:47 pm »
I'm not arguing about sport though. I'm staying clear of that. I'm just saying "e-sports" competitors take substances to improve their performance.

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« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2018, 11:43:18 pm »
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I'm not arguing about sport though. I'm staying clear of that. I'm just saying "e-sports" competitors take substances to improve their performance.

I won't disagree. Ive taking them before when I don't get much sleep during the day and have to work a 12 hour night shift. Then I can't sleep the next day. Wife has a script of Vyvanse which is essentially the same thing. Nasty drug I say. But, yes, it does make you focus and I totally see why gamers would use them. Along with grad students, overworked people, etc, etc. I stay away from them because no matter how tired I feel I cannot sleep on them.

ETA: thing is, when I have taken them I get quite jittery. I could see that having an adverse effect on gaming. But, I'm sure thats tolerance and varies person to person.
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« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2018, 11:46:10 pm »
@March, you into Cycling? Ever competed or just enjoy the sport?
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« Reply #55 on: March 04, 2018, 12:20:48 am »
Just watching it. I'm not much of a competitor.

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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2018, 03:12:21 pm »
by the very definition of the word
Everyone has their own definition, or cherry picks a definition they find somewhere to fit their own definition, so this is an irrelevant argument. If we all agreed on a definition, there wouldn't be a debate lol.

Sport (British English) or sports (American English) includes all forms of competitive physical activity or games which,[1] through casual or organised participation, aim to use, maintain or improve physical ability and skills while providing enjoyment to participants, and in some cases, entertainment for spectators.[2] - Wikipedia page for Sports

[1]"Definition of sport". SportAccord International Sports Federation. Archived from the original on 28 October 2011.
[2]Council of Europe. "The Europien sport charter". Retrieved 5 March 2012.

Unfortunately there's no substantiation for what 'physical' is, or 'skill', which imo doesn't disqualify video games. And that's the trouble of 'by definition': definitions need further definitions to make sense - otherwise we're just using our own bias to reafirm our own biases.

You cited merrian-webster dictionary.
This cites two international sports authorities.

I'm not saying either is wrong or right, I'm saying its easy to find a definition that exactly matches what one is arguing, which again makes it irrelevant.
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