Guns and the British empire

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« on: February 22, 2018, 02:59:21 pm »
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2018, 03:40:03 pm »
Very interesting. Power relations can affect knowledge-sharing (or the lack thereof), but power relations are never permanent. With a relatively short-term focus, the East India Company and Imperial Britain can try to limit the spread of technical knowledge, but time marches on relentlessly.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2018, 12:03:38 am »
Certainly interesting although Britain and England aren't synonymous. The Scottish Enlightenment is distinct from the European Enlightenment. Makes you wonder how closely the author is connected with the actual subjects. The former is especially annoying.

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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 05:17:40 am »
Good read and useful knowledge given my current interest in the evolution of warfare from "old world" (pre-WW1) to "new world". While I'm not sure any lone element can take the credit for something as complex as the rise of an international empire, certainly guns made a huge difference.

Somewhat of a deviation here but one thing I think people underestimate sometimes is how much disease did the job for colonists, particularly regarding the Americas, and in the case of the North American Natives, much of it occurred well before Europeans moved past their initial settlements. It made the difference between having hundreds of thousands of native forces compared to the rather small number of combatants the natives ever had the chance to field (in terms of a broad historical perspective).

Then again one can look at the Zulu massacres (who were an extremely competent fighting force and had perhaps greater military expertise and planning than the settlers/colonists), which were a pretty stark example of what a small group of guys with machine guns can do against a very large group of foes who lacked firearms.

Of course, firearms also found their way into the hands of the native americans quite a bit more, and so had their populations not been so devastated by disease then I think our maps would look a whole lot different.

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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2018, 01:59:24 pm »
In what ways is this similar to modern efforts by the United States and other 'nuclear powers' to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons technology to nations such as Iran and North Korea?

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2018, 01:46:55 pm »
In what ways is this similar to modern efforts by the United States and other 'nuclear powers' to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons technology to nations such as Iran and North Korea?

I think nuclear breaks all rules and has no comparison to anything given it's extinction level capabilities. All nations should de-denuclearize and this may sound crazy, but the USA should consider leading by example and clean up our own back yard first if that what it takes to get others to follow suit. I do not feel we, as a species, sport the competence and maturity to ensure no accidental or intentional wars break out with the usage of nuclear weapons. Sorry to shit all over your point, but I would be warmer to your perspective if you brought up any other example outside of nuclear weapons.
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