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« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2019, 10:34:54 pm »
I love this whole "fuck physics, we're alive, mother fuckers" philosophy you've been sharing, Sci - very interesting stuff, gives me hope I'm more than a simple machine.

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I don't think it's "fuck physics/science" so much as "fuck mechanistic-reductionist explanations".

Right, that didn't come across correctly, was speeding along today. You nailed it and that's what I meant, not that physics is "wrong" but the perspective it is necessarily the science of "all".

As for being a machine, read Raymond Tallis' On Time & Lamentation. He's a retired neuroscientist turned brilliant philosopher.

I'll check him out, thanks for the referral. You missed ( or maybe you were lurking, you have an impressive post count number ) the fireworks on Free Will here. I concede my ( belief? ) we have free will likely stems from not wanting to be a machine, I want to take responsibility for my error(s) - it is me whose fucking up, not a bug in the program. That said, I am open to the possibility I'm a self-hating robot. I'll see what Mr. Tallis has to say on the matter as you might've guessed, we didn't end the discussion on consensus, the talk simply ran out of gas ...
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« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2019, 11:13:46 pm »
I'll check him out, thanks for the referral. You missed ( or maybe you were lurking, you have an impressive post count number ) the fireworks on Free Will here. I concede my ( belief? ) we have free will likely stems from not wanting to be a machine, I want to take responsibility for my error(s) - it is me whose fucking up, not a bug in the program. That said, I am open to the possibility I'm a self-hating robot. I'll see what Mr. Tallis has to say on the matter as you might've guessed, we didn't end the discussion on consensus, the talk simply ran out of gas ...

I think before free will one must try to suss out causation...a subject for another thread or two or 100...heh.

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« Reply #77 on: January 11, 2019, 10:11:47 pm »
'[At] the moment biology becomes biologism, science is turned into an ideology. What we have to deplore ... is not so much that scientists are specializing, but rather the fact that specialists are generalizing.'
 – Viktor E. Frankl

'How can the brain be in the head if the head is in the brain?' –
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« Reply #78 on: January 12, 2019, 01:21:30 am »
'[At] the moment biology becomes biologism, science is turned into an ideology. What we have to deplore ... is not so much that scientists are specializing, but rather the fact that specialists are generalizing.'
 – Viktor E. Frankl

'How can the brain be in the head if the head is in the brain?' –
 -- J. R. Smythies

This post made you evil, Sci ( check out your post count before you post again  ;) )
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« Reply #79 on: January 12, 2019, 02:32:48 am »
'[At] the moment biology becomes biologism, science is turned into an ideology. What we have to deplore ... is not so much that scientists are specializing, but rather the fact that specialists are generalizing.'
 – Viktor E. Frankl

'How can the brain be in the head if the head is in the brain?' –
 -- J. R. Smythies

This post made you evil, Sci ( check out your post count before you post again  ;) )

Damn missed my chance to commune with the numerology of the Dark Lord...I'm sure there'll be other chances -->


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« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2019, 06:13:13 pm »
From Heretics of Dune
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... our God is a magical God whose language we speak."

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« Reply #81 on: January 20, 2019, 08:08:01 pm »
'Materialism ... is the philosophy of the subject who forgets himself in his calculation.'
  – Schopenhauer
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« Reply #82 on: February 01, 2019, 04:50:19 pm »
When something unreal can become almost real, it is perhaps more frightening to us, and perhaps more revealing.

-David Levinthal
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« Reply #83 on: February 01, 2019, 05:05:52 pm »
When something unreal can become almost real, it is perhaps more frightening to us, and perhaps more revealing.

-David Levinthal

I like this one, Sci - kinda aligns with your profile picture, which scares the shit of me every time I see it ( I'm sure that's the intended effect ;) )
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« Reply #84 on: February 01, 2019, 05:06:29 pm »
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... our God is a magical God whose language we speak."

You've brought this up in conversation before, TL - what about it speaks to you?
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« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2019, 12:53:00 am »
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... our God is a magical God whose language we speak."

You've brought this up in conversation before, TL - what about it speaks to you?
To speak God's language is to be able to perform miracles on demand. What solace do mere beliefs provide in comparison?

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« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2019, 01:13:29 am »
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... our God is a magical God whose language we speak."

You've brought this up in conversation before, TL - what about it speaks to you?
To speak God's language is to be able to perform miracles on demand. What solace do mere beliefs provide in comparison?

Ah, nice, thank you!
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« Reply #87 on: March 19, 2019, 06:25:00 pm »
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As the highest value and supreme dominant in the psychic hierarchy, the God-image is immediately related to, or identical with, the self, and everything that happens to the God-image has an effect on the latter. Any uncertainty about the God-image causes a profound uneasiness in the self, for which reason the question is generally ignored because of its painfulness. But that does not mean that it remains unasked in the unconscious. What is more, it is answered by views and beliefs like materialism, atheism, and similar substitutes, which spread like epidemics. They crop up wherever and whenever one waits in vain for the legitimate answer. The ersatz product represses the real question into the unconscious and destroys the continuity of historical tradition which is the hallmark of civilization. The result is bewilderment and confusion. Christianity has insisted on God’s goodness as a loving Father and has done its best to rob evil of substance. The early Christian prophecy concerning the Antichrist, and certain ideas in late Jewish theology, could have suggested to us that the Christian answer to the problem of Job omits to mention the corollary, the sinister reality of which is now being demonstrated before our eyes by the splitting of our world: the destruction of the God-image is followed by the annulment of the human personality. Materialistic atheism with its utopian chimeras forms the religion of all those rationalistic movements which delegate the freedom of personality to the masses and thereby extinguish it. The advocates of Christianity squander their energies in the mere preservation of what has come down to them, with no thought of building on to their house and making it roomier. Stagnation in these matters is threatened in the long run with a lethal end.

C. G. Jung -Aion, Researches into the Phenomonology of the Self

Hmm, keep in mind here that God-image is not, per se, God.  God-image can actually be used to stand in for the top of a hierarchy, or the pinnacle of an ontology.  One could consider it as "thing of highest value" as well, although monetary value not necessarily being that connotation there (although plausibly so in cases).
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« Reply #88 on: March 19, 2019, 06:33:51 pm »
When something unreal can become almost real, it is perhaps more frightening to us, and perhaps more revealing.

-David Levinthal

I like this one, Sci - kinda aligns with your profile picture, which scares the shit of me every time I see it ( I'm sure that's the intended effect ;) )

I thought it was cute lol


C. G. Jung -Aion, Researches into the Phenomonology of the Self

Hmm, keep in mind here that God-image is not, per se, God.  God-image can actually be used to stand in for the top of a hierarchy, or the pinnacle of an ontology.  One could consider it as "thing of highest value" as well, although monetary value not necessarily being that connotation there (although plausibly so in cases).

What does he mean about making Christianity "roomier"?
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« Reply #89 on: March 19, 2019, 06:37:39 pm »

C. G. Jung -Aion, Researches into the Phenomonology of the Self

Hmm, keep in mind here that God-image is not, per se, God.  God-image can actually be used to stand in for the top of a hierarchy, or the pinnacle of an ontology.  One could consider it as "thing of highest value" as well, although monetary value not necessarily being that connotation there (although plausibly so in cases).

What does he mean about making Christianity "roomier"?

I'll need to dig a bit more into the context of the quote (I kind of tripped over it), but I think he means that it would be more accommodating of changes in circumstance.  That is, not be stiflingly conservative.
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasūrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira