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« Reply #150 on: July 04, 2019, 09:31:01 pm »
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“The Hierarchic Qualm: The sword kills. But the arm moves the sword. Is the arm to blame for murder? No. The mind moves the arm. Is the mind to blame? No. The mind has sworn an oath to duty, and that duty moves the mind, as written by the Throne. So it is that a servant of the Throne is blameless.”

― Seth Dickinson, The Traitor Baru Cormorant

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The hand dispensing salvific murder is absolved of responsibility for it is the expression of a common will, the sacrosanct will of the Just.
- Ad Arma! Ad Arma!

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« Reply #151 on: July 05, 2019, 05:17:29 pm »
"Everyone believes in the Devil when the Sun goes down...at least a little bit..."
 -Me

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"An angel is depicted there who looks as though he were about to distance himself from something, which he is staring at. His eyes are opened wide, his mouth stands open and his wings are outstretched. The Angel of History must look just so. His face is turned towards the past. Where we see the appearance of a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe, which unceasingly piles rubble on top of rubble and hurls it before his feet. He would like to pause for a moment so fair, to awaken the dead and to piece together what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise; it has caught itself up in his wings and is so strong that the Angel can no longer close them. The storm drives him irresistibly into the future, to which his back is turned, while the rubble-heap before him grows sky-high. That which we call progress, is this storm."

Walter Benjamin, Theses on the Philosophy of History


Reminds me of this museum curator I'd heard of who would comment on the natural history of man:

"From the Stone Age til now..my God, what a decline!"
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« Reply #152 on: July 06, 2019, 05:02:01 pm »
"We look on the same stars, the sky is common, the same world surrounds us.

What difference does it make by what pains each seeks the truth?

We cannot attain to so great a secret by one road alone."
               --Symmachus,  (c. 340-c. 405), asking for the continuance of pagan ceremonies in the now Christian Roman Empire


Always liked this quote since reading it in highschool, though I guess now with the nutjobs on the 'Net you have to point out some ways of seeking the truth might make a difference if they involve doing evil shit to others...
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« Reply #153 on: July 14, 2019, 01:58:22 am »
"Right now we're computational machines that consume the planet.

We need to be living imaginative beings that co-create the affordances that bloom the planet and in that process we bloom also."
 -Bonnitta Roy
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« Reply #154 on: July 14, 2019, 01:50:21 pm »
Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural.  We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.  It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated.  Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

 -Richard Lewontin, review of Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World in the New York Review of Books (January 9, 1997)
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« Reply #155 on: July 17, 2019, 02:47:42 pm »
"I will say, though, that if there’s no objective morality, there’s no morality at all."
   -Peter Hankins, Conscious Entities

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« Reply #156 on: July 17, 2019, 03:10:19 pm »
"I will say, though, that if there’s no objective morality, there’s no morality at all."
   -Peter Hankins, Conscious Entities

Hmm, yeah, I'm really unsure how I should be considering Moral Realism.  I find it hard to believe, but on the other hand, it seems weird if there isn't.
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasűrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #157 on: Today at 07:41:57 pm »
Hmm, yeah, I'm really unsure how I should be considering Moral Realism.  I find it hard to believe, but on the other hand, it seems weird if there isn't.

Do you believe in Mathematical Realism? But yes, Moral Realism has a "leap of faith" aspect.

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 -Cormac McCarthy, Blood Merdian
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