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« Reply #165 on: August 22, 2019, 05:22:38 pm »
That makes me think of what I just heard on a podcast the other day:

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"She said, “The elders are pragmatical buggers. We wouldn’t have survived if they weren’t.” And she pushed me to look at this knowledge. These stories that we’re told sound superficial and childlike. That’s because they are, because you don’t get the detailed stories until you’re initiated. And so we’re hearing what the children would hear. So you’re grounding the information in the physical landscape. It’s so much more robust, and then as you get initiated, you get layer upon layer of complexity."

-Lynne Kelly on The MindScape Podcast (I backed it up a bit, so you can get a broader context.)
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« Reply #166 on: August 22, 2019, 08:45:42 pm »
I dig these two quotes, will be listening to that podcast as well!

Also can't help but think of Seswatha and the Dreams. But if the Mandati are Initiates...what of the Meta-Gnosis?

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« Reply #167 on: August 22, 2019, 08:57:02 pm »
I dig these two quotes, will be listening to that podcast as well!

Also can't help but think of Seswatha and the Dreams. But if the Mandati are Initiates...what of the Meta-Gnosis?

I think we are getting a bit afield of the topic at hand, but I think the meta-Gnosis from the angle of Seswatha, is nothing more than a pipedream.
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasûrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #168 on: August 24, 2019, 04:49:23 pm »
That Lynne Kelly episode last week was imo probably the most interesting podcast Sean Carroll has had on Mindscape... the idea that essentially all ancient man-made monuments were specifically built and maintained to be used as memory palaces was super interesting and I was surprised that I hadn't given much thought to the methods employed by ancient people to memorize everything important they needed to know. One of those podcasts that had left me with a hell of a lot to think about.

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« Reply #169 on: August 26, 2019, 04:04:17 am »

[it] has even come to be taken for granted that the external account of a thing somehow "debunks" the account given from the inside. "All these moral ideals which look so transcendental and beautiful from the inside," says the wiseacre, "are really only a mass of biological instincts and inherited taboos."

And no one plays the game the other way round by replying, "If you will only step inside, the things that look to you like instincts and taboos will suddenly reveal their real and transcendental nature."
 ~ C.S. Lewis

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« Reply #170 on: August 26, 2019, 05:11:21 am »
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“Those who travel with the current will always feel they are good swimmers; those who swim against the current may never realize they are better swimmers than they imagine.”

- Shankar Vedantam

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« Reply #171 on: August 26, 2019, 12:15:25 pm »
That Lynne Kelly episode last week was imo probably the most interesting podcast Sean Carroll has had on Mindscape... the idea that essentially all ancient man-made monuments were specifically built and maintained to be used as memory palaces was super interesting and I was surprised that I hadn't given much thought to the methods employed by ancient people to memorize everything important they needed to know. One of those podcasts that had left me with a hell of a lot to think about.

Yeah, and then, of course, we were watching Mindhunters season 2 this weekend, so all the talk about "returns to the scene of crimes" also made me think of this as well.
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasûrimbor . . . ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.” -Cet’ingira

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« Reply #172 on: September 01, 2019, 03:10:37 pm »
“Nothing is insignificant, nothing is inconsequential in the universe; an atom can destroy it all, an atom can save it all!”
    -Gérard de Nerval

Also two of the Chimeras as translated by Mark Lamoureux

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THE DISINHERITED

I am of darkness—widower, —unconsoled
Prince of Aquitaine & the stricken tower:
My one star is dead,—& my lute of the firmament
Bears despair’s black sun.

In night’s tomb, you consoler
Return to me Posilipo & the Italian sea,
That bloom so pleasured by my blighted heart,
& that trellis where the vine & the rose align.

Am I love or Phoebus?...Lusignan or Biron?
My face still red from the queen’s kiss;
I’ve dreamed in the cavern where the siren swims...

& two times crossed & won the Acheron:
Sang by & by of the lyre of Orpheus,
The saint’s sighs & the faerie’s shriek.

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GILDED VERSE

And so! Everything is sentient!
-Pythagoras

Man, free thinker! You think you alone think
In this world where life splatters everywhere?
You’re free to dispose of your charge,
But the firmament’s gone from your schemes.

Respect the spirit that moves in beasts:
Every flower a ghost that opens to Nature,
Every alloy harbors the secrets of love;
“Everything is sentient,” & everything can change you,

Fear the eyes in blind walls,
Even dead matter is infused with a verb,
Don’t use it perversely.

Even in the shunned ones lives a secret god,
Like a nascent eye obscured by its lids,
A pure spirit blooms behind the veil of stones.
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« Reply #173 on: September 02, 2019, 12:55:51 am »
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Who is it, that carries this corpse around?
– Zen Koan

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« Reply #174 on: September 07, 2019, 05:02:39 am »
Being alone is painful, but it’s pain you can get used to, like a chronic ache in the back, the stomach, in the hands. You have your dignity to brace yourself with, although it may not go numb until you get too old. It is the pain of not quite being a walking corpse. Even the coward who cringes inside his paroxysm of fright is more alive.

People must hurt each other, as inevitably as they breathe. Nothing can stop it. It’s not enough to accept it. Accepting it is not enough, like sighing resignedly and putting on an attitude of long-suffering. Don’t get to be too good at protecting yourself. You’ve got to be ripped to pieces for the one you love, again and again. That doesn’t prove anything but love, and its entitlements are a frailty that can’t be held. But you will live even in that hell. The fire that hurts you gives off light like any other fire, that illuminates beautiful things, and that is beautiful itself. 

Far below, a new light, spreading in all directions. I see the deep sun. Sinking toward it, I begin to feel its warmth.


 -Michael Cisco, The Great Lover

I don't think Cisco is trying to advocate putting up with physical abuse, rather I think he's saying love not only can be but will be torturous emotionally...
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« Reply #175 on: September 11, 2019, 12:12:21 pm »
I kinda see what he's getting at but... jeez thats a depressing way to look/phrase it.
One of the other conditions of possibility.

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« Reply #176 on: September 12, 2019, 05:32:40 am »
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"Don't worry. You don't know enough to worry. Who the hell do you think you are, that you should worry?
That is God's truth. Worry is praying to the devil. Worry is betting against yourself. Worry is preposterous."

Terence McKenna