Seswatha's Escape

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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2013, 06:14:14 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2013, 07:04:39 am »
I reread a little tidbit that I think I've read before but had not properly pondered.

Supposedly all of the copies of The Sagas were at Sauglish, and all but one were destroyed when the city was sacked.  The one that was not was delivered by Seswatha to the scribes of the Three Seas.  Uh...could not Seswatha have written history how he wanted on his journey?

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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2013, 07:25:59 am »
well or twist it and let go of the semantics of 'book'

And think, Nil Giccis supplied four copies of the the Isuphyris to Sauglish:

Translation, nil giccis sent four nonmen eljus to curate a library. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2013, 01:43:38 pm »
Uh...

I reread a little tidbit that I think I've read before but had not properly pondered.

Supposedly all of the copies of The Sagas were at Sauglish, and all but one were destroyed when the city was sacked.  The one that was not was delivered by Seswatha to the scribes of the Three Seas.  Uh...could not Seswatha have written history how he wanted on his journey?

Brilliant and...

well or twist it and let go of the semantics of 'book'

And think, Nil Giccis supplied four copies of the the Isuphyris to Sauglish:

Translation, nil giccis sent four nonmen eljus to curate a library. ;)

Brilliant.

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2013, 03:29:06 pm »
Supposedly all of the copies of The Sagas were at Sauglish, and all but one were destroyed when the city was sacked.  The one that was not was delivered by Seswatha to the scribes of the Three Seas.  Uh...could not Seswatha have written history how he wanted on his journey?
Yes. Yes, he could have. I like this idea.

Only, it was the Isūphiryas and not the Sagas that he saved a copy of. Which means that he possibly has rewritten ancient Nonman history, not his own.

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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2013, 03:46:50 pm »
All good things.

Its all about the Darkness that Comes Before isn't it? This is why one must come before ALL things to become Absolute. Otherwise, you can't ever be sure you arn't still somehow controlled by what came before you.
One of the other conditions of possibility.

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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2013, 06:26:09 pm »
Yes. Yes, he could have. I like this idea.

Only, it was the Isūphiryas and not the Sagas that he saved a copy of. Which means that he possibly has rewritten ancient Nonman history, not his own.

If that is so, there's an error on the wiki timeline online.  That's where I stumbled upon this, and it said that it was The Sagas.  Anyone got their TTT appendix handy to clarify?

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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2013, 07:14:30 pm »
Yes. Yes, he could have. I like this idea.

Only, it was the Isūphiryas and not the Sagas that he saved a copy of. Which means that he possibly has rewritten ancient Nonman history, not his own.

If that is so, there's an error on the wiki timeline online.  That's where I stumbled upon this, and it said that it was The Sagas.  Anyone got their TTT appendix handy to clarify?
Checked the appendix now. It is the Isūphiryas. It's in the Isūphiryas entry.

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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2013, 07:53:09 pm »
Well, thanks for getting to the bottom of it.  Not quite as cool of a theory in light of that, but I suppose it still remains possible that Seswatha could have fucked with history.  Perhaps not to the same magnitude that it could have been with The Sagas.

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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2013, 08:07:51 pm »
I think it's a pretty key variable, Trisk. And it's going to become even more apparent in TUC when we're subjected to society's individual-held common conceptions of Nonmen.

I mean, the Mandate and Swayal at least dream the Dreams to corroborate some of it. But now we have another possible historical deception to flog endlessly :)).

Think. Everytime a character wonders after the Nonmen we can cry false!

Wow... is it wrong of me to want to make a drinking game for TSA? Lol - play socially with the audiobooks ;).
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2013, 09:13:25 pm »
I mean, the Mandate and Swayal at least dream the Dreams to corroborate some of it.
But Seswatha selected, and possibly edited, the dreams too. So nothing is certain.

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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2013, 09:45:11 pm »
Excellent. Sweet, sweet ambiguity.

Lol - I'd love to see Achamian dream those Dreams. Seswatha editing the Isūphiryas or, better yet, the preparing of his Heart for Grasping :o...
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2013, 10:09:23 pm »
Yeah, we might be getting inconsistent dreams and inconsistent histories from Seswatha's hand.  All bets are off.

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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2013, 10:43:14 pm »
I love the idea of Seswatha potentially being a bad guy, and that we still don't even know who the f the heroes are. Good work, Mr Bakker.
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2013, 11:56:24 pm »
It's one of my more cherished pet-theories
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, and then realized that the Consult was more or less correct in their goal of wanting to stop it, at least in spirit, but he had a better way of going about it; the Dunyain. The Dunyain, however, by their nature, would "forget" about the past (and the Gnosis), so he had to create the Mandate so that the history would be remembered. Eventually the two would cross paths (see: Akka and Kellhus) and combine their purposes. Seswatha wants to end damnation, but he also wants to stop the Consult.
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