Cnaiurs understanding of Kelhus

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« on: April 25, 2013, 06:19:21 pm »
Quote from: coobek
Doesn't it strike you that through all the novels only HE trully understood Kelhus and his modus operandum.
Even Akka, I feel, is still cheating himself with doubt.

Isn't it also why we love this character so much even through his brutality, he still comes out as BETTER due to this single fact of comprehension.


I really Enjoy Cnaiur's conversation with a BIRD how he sees in him exactly what Dunyain would, and how he tries to persude the worlds greates enemy that he is already ... doomed, that something NEW appeared on benjuka plate of the world. And BIRD of course does not see it.



p.17. Hopefully Meppa is the blinded Cnaiur after sunbathing for 20 years in Zeum.

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« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 06:19:34 pm »
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Isn't it also why we love this character so much even through his brutality, he still comes out as BETTER due to this single fact of comprehension.

Lol. Hard sell, coobek. Though, I feel the reader empathizes with Cnaiur for his knowledge of Kellhus... I don't think that Cnaiur comes out better for it.

+1 CNAIUR!

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 06:19:39 pm »
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Team Cnaiur!

Too bad he ends up a raving lunatic, having sex with Serwe, burying serwe's body with the help of serwe. Talking to birds and not finding it odd that serwe has a penis. Fucking off his rocker. Poor guy, he had so much to offer.

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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 06:19:48 pm »
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His madness is deep.

The scene where one of the Serwes saves Cnaiur by doing the awesome arrow catch dance is epic - and mirrors Kellhus' arrow dodge before Martemus at the Swazond Standard in TWP.

And Serwe helped him bury her...

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:07 pm »
Quote from: Callan S.
I think the skill of how Cnaiur was written is how much sense he makes during it. He rarely goes on anything that seems beyond the grasping of the reader, in what is ultimately his madness.

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:13 pm »
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Team Cnaiur indeed!

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:19 pm »
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at times I feel like Cnaiur attributes too much to Kellhus, but in overattributing to him, he doesn't make the mistake of underestimating him.

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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:25 pm »
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What do you think was the plan for Cnaiur to baby sit Conphas was about?

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:33 pm »
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What do you think was the plan for Cnaiur to baby sit Conphas was about?

To have Conphas kill Cnaiur, or vice versa, or hope that they kill eachother. He wasn't in a position, politically speaking, to do anything to Conphas.... though he could have probably killed Cnaiur without much complaint ( I don't remember that exact situation though, so maybe not).

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:41 pm »
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+1 lockesnow & Wilshire.

I'd hazard that Kellhus doesn't understand insanity, Callan? If it had been Kellhus... Cnaiur would lie dead in the ruins of Joktha with his rats - also, such an epic fight.

However, both Conphas and Cnauir do things that Kellhus doesn't seem to expect. Conphas even stays his hand to the point of we're both Gods, be my Exalt-General.

Honestly, I give Cnaiur a little break when you realize that the Consult are feeding him their party line of drugs and booze. Cnaiur doesn't get that the birds got a head, Serwe and Serwe have dicks and bury Serwes...

None of it matters... Just Moenghus. Just seeing the trackless steppe through. His wager, right?

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:47 pm »
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Moved our Cnaiur & Ironsoul discussion for spoiler related difficulties ;).

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:55 pm »
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You jerks are actually going to make me type it out aren't you? 


OK, here goes:

Part 1

The crib stood in the nursery's centre, carved of wood like black rock, standing as high as his waist, and draped with gauze sheets that hung from a single hook set in a frescoed ceiling.  The walls were ochre, and the lamplight dim.  The room smelled of sandalwood - there was no hint of soil.

All the world seemed to hush as he circled the ornate cradle.  He left no track across the cityscopes woven into the carpet beneath his feet.  The lamplights fluttered, but nothing more.  With the crib between himself and the entrance, he approached, parted the gauze with his right hand.

Moenghus.

White-skinned.  Still young enough to clutch his toes.  Eyes at once vacant and lucid, in the way only an infant's could be.  The penetrating white-blue of the Steppe.

My son.

Cnauir reached out two fingers, saw the scars banding the length of his forearm.  The babe waved his hands, and as though by accident caught Cnaiur's fingertip, his grip firm like that of a father or friend in minitature.  Without warning, his face blushed, became wizened with anguished wrinkles.  He sputtered, began wailing.

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 06:21:01 pm »
Quote from: Curethan
Perhaps is strange that Kellhus saved Serwe from losing the baby in the desert.
Simply to manipulate Crazynaiur?

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2013, 06:21:08 pm »
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Yes, Trisk... where's Part 2 o.O?

What are you drawing attention to here?

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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2013, 06:21:16 pm »
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You jerks are actually going to make me type it out aren't you? 


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