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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2013, 12:29:34 am »
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super butt-hurt about Moenghus
Slightly unfortunate choice of words, there! :P

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« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2013, 12:29:50 am »
Quote from: Madness
+1 Lol.

Conditioned, I figure Cnaiur's forgotten about Anissi, unfortunately. Before Kellhus, Cnaiur might have lived a stable - albeit brutal - life. And I've got nothing but love for our boy, I think the Dunyain f[h]ubar.

"'We must bury her,' he called.

Serwe helped him." (TTT, p248).

Btw, I've been studying Latin academically, rather than personally, this year and even though it was one of the first things we went over, It just clicked today that Serwe = Slave (the v is pronounced w, according to this professor). She's been generally accurate in my courses with her. Fantastic perspectives.

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« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:00 am »
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Serwe = Slave
I cannot believe I never noticed that. :shock: :oops:

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(the v is pronounced w, according to this professor)
Yep. Properly speaking, Classical Latin (i.e. Latin as spoken by the Romans) has no /v/ phoneme (it came later in Mediaeval and Ecclesiastical Latin). Pronouncing V as /w/ still makes me think of Michael Palin's Pontius Pilate, though... :P

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« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:12 am »
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+1 madness +1 Duskweaver

My old, very miserable Latin vocabulary slowly creeps back in my mind, after your posts.
I thought the lessons of my Latin teacher were lost "in the darkness that comes before" ;)

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« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:20 am »
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I will +1 my professor from you, Duskweaver, when I see her tomorrow. She'd actually get a kick out of us using Latin in this medium.

You can't cover all the bases all the time, boys ;).

+1 for Monty Python. Lmao. They probably weren't even trying to be funny, just historically accurate.

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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:26 am »
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he was super butt-hurt about Moenghus
I wonder how he felt after meeting Aurang.

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Yep. Properly speaking, Classical Latin (i.e. Latin as spoken by the Romans) has no /v/ phoneme (it came later in Mediaeval and Ecclesiastical Latin).
Tr00 dat, the V is pronounced as "w" in Classical Latin. This took quite a while to sink into my head, along with the pronunciation of C as a "hard c" (Cicero's name is pronounced "Kikero", not "Sisero").

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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:36 am »
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+1 :).

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:49 am »
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I'm pretty sure there's a reference to Moënghus's daughter being drowned or something as well. But I'd have to check.

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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2013, 12:30:56 am »
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I know there are several accounts of various children being drowned throughout the series, but I can't recall any that where Moe's.

Oh yeah, wonder what ever became of that poor lad who got sold into slavery whilst trying to catch a glimpse of Maitha in TDTCB.
Hope he's all right.

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2013, 12:31:06 am »
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Dang, not spotting it so far.

Though it's interesting that Kellhus has such trouble making a child, yet bang, first chick Moe seduces makes one (though were not told if its mutated or anything, I guess. But usually the naration notes something like that).

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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2013, 12:31:14 am »
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It doesn't say whether Moënghus' daughter was killed by the Scylvendi, but she probably was. Otherwise, Cnaiür would've commented more on her.

The whole part about Dunyain being unable to produce kids with ordinary human women seems to be a ret-con. The first time we hear about this is TJE. Before that, it seemed like the Dunyain could reproduce like any normal person, just that their kids with ordinary humans wouldn't inherit full Dunyain abilities. (Maithanet being less superhuman than Kellhus, for example).     

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Oh yeah, wonder what ever became of that poor lad who got sold into slavery whilst trying to catch a glimpse of Maitha in TDTCB.
Hope he's all right.
Knowing who wrote the books, that kid probably ended up in a BDSM brothel and got raped forever.

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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2013, 12:31:21 am »
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WHO ARE THE DUNYAIN, comes to mind for some reason.

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« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2013, 12:31:27 am »
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Lol...

I'll have to find the two relevant quotes for you. From what I remember - unless this can be recontextualized within Cnaiur's madness - they only don't kill the daughter of Moenghus and Cnaiur's mother. Cnaiur's mother is killed - does Moenghus have a son by her that dies as well?

The daughter survives... Clearly, she must be Anissi. Because Cnaiur/Bakker are that fucked up ;).

This. Is. Bakker.

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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2013, 12:31:39 am »
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Makes complete sense to me. How do the ages work out? Cnaiur was pretty young at that point so it could be pretty close.

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« Reply #44 on: May 07, 2013, 12:31:45 am »
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How do the ages work out?
They don't. Well, assuming the Encyclopaedic Glossary is accurate, anyway. Anissi was born in 4089. Moenghus seduced Cnaiur and his mother ten years earlier (Cnaiur killed Skiotha in 4079).

However, I like Madness' theory, so I propose the EG is wrong and Anissi's birth year should be 4079, not 4089.