Kellhus and the No-God

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« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2013, 01:28:23 am »
lol i like how i trailed off and didn't end the sentence.
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« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2013, 06:13:58 pm »
You still made sense.
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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2013, 04:33:08 pm »
No pet theories, EkyannusIII?

All feel the No-God's tug from the horizon. All are stillborn. The Xiuhanni must have reacted.

Indeed, but I have no basis for thinking anything about their reaction beyond the obvious inference that it was probably a vastly destabilizing event for their societies.

I do, however, want to bring this up:

These posts might have to be moved. I can see us quickly straying into spoilers.

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What is reason, but the blindness of the soul?

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if Kellhus was thinking all of this, he's going to freak out when he get's back and Kelmomas is all "i lieks to eatum peeples da"

the whole thing is orchestrated by Kellhus who is wearing a Bashrag as if it were a suit

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2013, 06:02:35 pm »
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2013, 01:47:11 am »
I would like to know more about when and how the Scylvendi went to the consult.
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2013, 02:09:30 pm »
+1.
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2013, 12:56:44 am »
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It would seem so.  Only a year to wait...
What is reason, but the blindness of the soul?

R. SCOTT RAP3ZT TERRIBLEZ LOLZ.

if Kellhus was thinking all of this, he's going to freak out when he get's back and Kelmomas is all "i lieks to eatum peeples da"

the whole thing is orchestrated by Kellhus who is wearing a Bashrag as if it were a suit

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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2013, 01:05:01 am »
I would like to know more about when and how the Scylvendi went to the consult.

I have a theory, perhaps not a crackpot one:

When Cnaiur is reminiscing about his childhood with Skiotha he has a flashback to a scene where his father shows him the stars in the night sky and says that they are really holes in the tent that is thrown over the earth, and that this is how they know the world is a lie.  I thought that was important for several reasons:

1.) It's classically Gnostic, if you pardon the use of nomadic tribal imagery in the metaphor Skiotha applies to the world; that the world was in some sense a fraud was central to Gnostic ideology.

2.) It suggests why the Scylvendi are so violent and uncaring of death in battle: they regard this life as a dream or delusion of some sort, and so do not see it's end as a measureless tragedy, just a transition, and probably one that is good in and of itself.

(The scene is also important because it is the only time we hear Skiotha speak, and because he is clearly showing affection to his son, which is hardly what you would expect given the rest of the Scylvendi ways we see, to say nothing of Cnaiur's persona).

If that is correct, then the Scylvendi might see a "no-god" that is capable of permanently stopping the cycle of rebirth and ending the earthly life of Men as a power of salvation, because this would mean that the entire human race was no longer trapped in the world of lies.

Too bad the No-God is probably eating their souls.
What is reason, but the blindness of the soul?

R. SCOTT RAP3ZT TERRIBLEZ LOLZ.

if Kellhus was thinking all of this, he's going to freak out when he get's back and Kelmomas is all "i lieks to eatum peeples da"

the whole thing is orchestrated by Kellhus who is wearing a Bashrag as if it were a suit

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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2013, 03:29:58 pm »
I'd still like perspective on how the Scylvendi specifically went from honouring Kiunnat traditions to worshipping a living Lokung (No-God - am I the only one curious as to what Lokung translates into Sheyic as, our Earwa English variant?).

To bullet-point for my own sake. Essentially, we have:

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« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2013, 08:17:41 am »
I'd still like perspective on how the Scylvendi specifically went from honouring Kiunnat traditions to worshipping a living Lokung (No-God - am I the only one curious as to what Lokung translates into Sheyic as, our Earwa English variant?).

To bullet-point for my own sake. Essentially, we have:

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Atraithau is anarcane ground.  that means the god was there at some point.  the scylvendi have long lived in the area. So I'd say Atraithau is anarcane ground because that's where the god of the scylvendi manifested and gave them their new directive.

Also, note where Skiotha says that the world is a lie that this is a mechanism Kellhus and Moenghus use on Cnaiur, and possibly why Cnaiur was able to untangle the conditioning from Moenghus, the culture of 'doubt' of disbelief in the world is very useful to the Dunyain (and very similar to what they also believe) and would also benefit Cnaiur in giving him avenues of thought that would let him 'doubt' the new world that Moenghus sketched out for him.  He doesn't get caught in the web of deceit because scylvendie are inherently taught to suspect all webs.

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« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2013, 11:52:47 am »
Atraithau is anarcane ground.  that means the god was there at some point.  the scylvendi have long lived in the area. So I'd say Atraithau is anarcane ground because that's where the god of the scylvendi manifested and gave them their new directive.

That doesn't equate to the "God was there at some point," unless you have evidence.

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Also, note where Skiotha says that the world is a lie that this is a mechanism Kellhus and Moenghus use on Cnaiur, and possibly why Cnaiur was able to untangle the conditioning from Moenghus, the culture of 'doubt' of disbelief in the world is very useful to the Dunyain (and very similar to what they also believe) and would also benefit Cnaiur in giving him avenues of thought that would let him 'doubt' the new world that Moenghus sketched out for him.  He doesn't get caught in the web of deceit because scylvendie are inherently taught to suspect all webs.

+1. Strange that something probably preached by the No-God (or Consult) would protect Cnaiur from the Dunyain... even if it did take him 30 years and a second Dunyain to cement his hypotheses.
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« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2013, 05:48:42 pm »
Atraithau is anarcane ground.  that means the god was there at some point.  the scylvendi have long lived in the area. So I'd say Atraithau is anarcane ground because that's where the god of the scylvendi manifested and gave them their new directive.

That doesn't equate to the "God was there at some point," unless you have evidence.

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« Reply #42 on: November 26, 2013, 03:33:47 am »
Where the no-god walked (or hovered): Mengedda.  Kind of the opposite of anarcane ground, i.e. a Topos.
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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2013, 01:54:15 pm »
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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2013, 02:40:09 pm »
Where the no-god walked (or hovered): Mengedda.  Kind of the opposite of anarcane ground, i.e. a Topos.
Was it a topos before the NG was slain?
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