Kellhus and the No-God

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« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2013, 02:56:37 pm »
No-God is the reason for the Topoi at Mengedda, allegedly.
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« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2013, 07:31:31 pm »
Btw in response to your  :o post, maybe you missed us bring this up in the sorcery topic  ;), check it out.
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« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2013, 10:24:27 am »
I might do. The only thing Cishaurim specific that I remember out of that jumble is that they don't seem to have an utteral component. But I will do some rereading at some point - I shouldn't even be on here now. I gots assignments to finish.
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« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2014, 05:47:14 pm »
Where the no-god walked (or hovered): Mengedda.  Kind of the opposite of anarcane ground, i.e. a Topos.
Was it a topos before the NG was slain?

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I note that not all of the battle of Mengedda are catalogued in the appendix

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« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2014, 08:55:34 pm »
Yeah. Doesn't it do something like battle 1, 2, 3, and 5...
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« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2014, 03:56:12 am »
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« Reply #51 on: March 09, 2014, 02:20:46 am »
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YOU ARE THE ABSENCE OF WIND BENEATH MY WINGS--goddamnit, why didnt i see that

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« Reply #52 on: March 09, 2014, 12:40:09 pm »
Lol, did you check? They are all listed in TTT Glossary :).
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« Reply #53 on: April 29, 2014, 10:02:38 pm »
Don't know what it means, but Kellhus is totally losing his shit just before the No-God dream and then after that both Cnaiur and Akka hear him speaking lucidly as he does again after they cut him down.  Maybe just a coincidence, but the Mog dream could have functioned as some kind of recharge for Kellhus.

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« Reply #54 on: September 03, 2014, 04:28:58 am »
I'm not sure he ever became entirely lucid again. I'm pretty sure his halos are a delusion.

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« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2014, 08:01:16 pm »
I think his haloes may have started as an illusion but belief begets reality in Earwa. Serwe truly believed then Kellhus did. Saw his own haloes before ripping out his heart.

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« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2014, 09:10:35 pm »
I think his haloes may have started as an illusion but belief begets reality in Earwa. Serwe truly believed then Kellhus did. Saw his own haloes before ripping out his heart.
I see this idea a lot but I'm not fully convinced yet. I think belief begetting reality is more a quality of topoi than every day Earwa.

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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2014, 01:11:02 am »
Its kind of the linchpin of earwa metaphysics. It happens more easily in topoi for sure, but the Outsider operates on this principle, and I think there is enough in the books to hint at it, but not much more than hints.
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« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2014, 01:22:08 am »
Serwe also sees the halos on the skin spy impersonating Kellhus.

It is my belief that they are not an illusion, but are in fact the effect of Kellhus being anointed by supernatural forces. (Take your pick - TTT, No-god, Solitary God, the 'World Soul' or just the insanity of religion in general leaking through).
She doesn't just see them first, Serwe is the mechanism by which they were placed onto Kellhus.
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« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2014, 03:33:20 am »
Serwe also sees the halos on the skin spy impersonating Kellhus.

It is my belief that they are not an illusion, but are in fact the effect of Kellhus being anointed by supernatural forces. (Take your pick - TTT, No-god, Solitary God, the 'World Soul' or just the insanity of religion in general leaking through).
She doesn't just see them first, Serwe is the mechanism by which they were placed onto Kellhus.
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