Akka and Ishual

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« on: May 29, 2013, 05:03:56 pm »
Quote from: Curethan
So Akka's quest has clearly been infiltrated by both the Consult and Kellhus since the start.
Neither of them are silly enough to ignore a benjuka piece that left the board like he did.  Especially a world class stooge like Akka.

Some scenarios;

Skin spies, prone to eavesdropping on him since TDTCB, could have worked out what he was up to pretty early on.  Aurang drops by Wutteat and asks to look through his hoard (not taking anything, bro!).  Bam.  Broken scroll case, Ishual obliterated.

Kellhus has the drop by virtue of spying on Akk's dreams, knows what to look for in the hoard and does a stealthy swap on his way to visit Esme in TJE leaving a map to some other ruins.  Or recruited/destroyed the dunyain and obliterated Ishual himself.

Can't wait to find out the real reason for Akka's quest. 

Could it be just to season Mim's baby with nonman hero ashes?  Quirri might be one of the ingredients in making dunyain superbabies - perhaps the thousand halls are an ash filled mausoleum.

Sorry if this is a bit rambly.
Not enough sleep and the devil's lettuce makin' me crazy speculatin'
Release TUC already!

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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:04 pm »
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Lord's Leaf, please, Curethan...

+1 for speculation. Cannot wait to find out why the Fate/Kellhus/Consult trifecta wants Achamian in the game so bad.

Perhaps, Achamian's due for a transition from grey to white.

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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:12 pm »
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Could it be just to season Mim's baby with nonman hero ashes?  Quirri might be one of the ingredients in making dunyain superbabies - perhaps the thousand halls are an ash filled mausoleum.
Release TUC already!

Ishual does mean Exalted Grotto

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:20 pm »
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Akka has to be on stage, he’s the one who will save the world after all.
Regardless of Kellhus/consult manipulations, the whore will make sure he is in the right place at the right time.
We have Anasūrimbor Celmomas prophecy after all. Where is your faith? :)

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:27 pm »
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+1, Borric.

The Second Apocalypse is nigh. Faith. Hope.

The Whirlwind consumes all...

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:35 pm »
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:44 pm »
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Akka has to be on stage, he’s the one who will save the world after all.
Regardless of Kellhus/consult manipulations, the whore will make sure he is in the right place at the right time.
We have Anasūrimbor Celmomas prophecy after all. Where is your faith? :)
Akka has to be on stage, he’s the one who will end the world after all.

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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2013, 05:04:52 pm »
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Akka has to be on stage, he's the avatar of destruction/salvation. Without him, there would be no stooge great enough for the task.

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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2013, 05:05:01 pm »
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the difference between Akka and Kellhus.  Akka would rather destroy the whole world and with it the human race than to be wrong; Kellhus would rather accept personal damnation than allow the human race to be exterminated.

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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2013, 05:05:08 pm »
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Assumptions, lockesnow, I believe.

Achamian has been a man enraged by love's betrayal - he forgives the person of his affections and blames the Dunyain. Is he still that man... Only AE can tell us? Perhaps, Achamian's journey is to let go - I'd be very, very surprised if we didn't see either an inversion of the grey to white or grey to white itself.

Kellhus, on the other hand... Really? That is a bold assertion.

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2013, 05:05:19 pm »
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It's a fair assertion, considering everything Kellhus actually says and does in narrative.

Akka is a doofus.  His journey is a descent into further madness and rampant self indulgence.  His attitude towards Kellhus is the standard of jilted men, but holding on to that and letting it fester for 20 years?  Crazy.
His 'plan' is the worst plan in the history of everything ever.
If Kellhus or something else isn't steering him in such a manner that his quest achieves something then all he is doing is running around the ancient north trying to get himself and everyone around him killed.  Ideally, he can find something to discredit Kellhus and ensure that everyone dies when the No-god rises again.
Cleric lasted, what, 4-5000 years before hanging out with Akka made him finally decide it was no longer worth it.

Akka would be rejected as too trashy for Jerry Springer.

But y'know, I think he's pretty cool.

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2013, 05:05:32 pm »
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His 'plan' is the worst plan in the history of everything ever.
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Cleric lasted, what, 4-5000 years before hanging out with Akka made him finally decide it was no longer worth it.


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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2013, 05:05:44 pm »
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Well think of it this way, Jesus' resurrection is a copout. it would make sense that 'he died for our sins' if he went to hell voluntarily in the place of everyone else, and from that point onward, noone ever suffered damnation again, whether or not they were of God's chosen people or believed in him or had heard of him.

But we humans need a hero narrative, and Jesus losing just doesn't seem 'right.' 

If Kellhus decides to take damnation because his personal soul is worth less than the aggregate of humanity, then that is a hell of a decision, so to speak, a decision Akka would never make.  Or compare to Jean Valjean, who decides his personal soul is worth more than the worldly pain and suffering of all his employees and decides to run off to confess in court that they have the wrong man.  He's condemning his workers to unbelievable wretchedness, and is okay with that because it is the 'right' thing to do for his personal soul.  He even weighs the two against each other and decides the weight rides on his soul being more important than their lives.

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2013, 05:05:54 pm »
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If Kellhus decides to take damnation because his personal soul is worth less than the aggregate of humanity, then that is a hell of a decision, so to speak, a decision Akka would never make.
What? :shock:

Akka already made that decision. All the Mandate sorcerers did. "Though you lose your soul, you gain the World." The whole point of the Mandate ideology is that they voluntarily sacrifice themselves to Hell in order to save the rest of the world by watching for (and hopefully preventing) the return of the No-God.

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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2013, 05:06:16 pm »
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If Kellhus decides to take damnation because his personal soul is worth less than the aggregate of humanity, then that is a hell of a decision, so to speak, a decision Akka would never make.
What? :shock:

Akka already made that decision. All the Mandate sorcerers did. "Though you lose your soul, you gain the World." The whole point of the Mandate ideology is that they voluntarily sacrifice themselves to Hell in order to save the rest of the world by watching for (and hopefully preventing) the return of the No-God.

Boom. Roasted.