[Wilshire]

Yes and I assume the ark was largely hollow compared to an asteroid. But the fact remains that even if it wasn't an ELE, it would still throw up huge amounts of dust and darken the continent for some time, we should have some record of that somewhere.

Remember when that volcano in iceland went off and grounded all the flights in europe for several days? I would guess something that big essentially exploding into the landscape would have a much greater impact effect.

[Somnambulist]

Much agreement.

[Madness]

According to the Isûphiryas, the Incû-Holoinas, the “Ark-of-the-Skies”, plunged to earth to the west of the Sea of Neleöst in land ruled by Nin’janjin, the Nonman King of Viri. The letter sent by Nin’janin to Cû’jara-Cinmoi, the King of Siöl, is recorded as follows:

    The Sky has cracked into potter’s shards,
    Fire sweeps the compass of Heaven,
    The beasts flee, their hearts maddened,
    The trees fall, their backs broken.
    Ash has shrouded all sun, choked all seed,
    The Halaroi howl piteously at the Gates,
    Dread Famine stalks my Mansion.
    Brother Siöl, Viri begs your pardon.

[Wilshire]

There we go, a cloud of ash. Only indication for how long it lasted "choked all seed", which isn't much help. Maybe one spring/growing-season, though that could refer to the fact that when the ash settled all the seeds died.
At any rate, there was a plume of some kind, good enough for me

[Aural]

Fuel for fire:

Once he'd even had occasion to speak at length with Nil-Giccas, who had battled through the halls of this place thousands of years before. But nothing could prepare Seswatha for the horrid immensity of the Incu-Holoinas. According to the Nonman King, not one in a hundred Inchoroi survived the Ark's fall from the heavens, and yet a thousand thousand of them had warred against the Nonmen over the course of their innumerable wars.

My bold.

Some clue is hidden in there, isn't it? The Thousand Thousand Halls are Inchoroi graves? If not, what did the Nonmen do with the bodies of those thousand thousand Inchoroi they killed in the Cuno-Inchoroi wars?

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A new Age was dawning. Since the First Father, Men had always spoken to command the Ground. Since the Shamans, they had called and Reality had answered, a brother, a deceiver, an assassin. But there was another way, one without the treacherous hooks of meaning, one built up out of the granules of existence, the way termites raise their multiform wattle. A power that could be crafted and shaped, that could be applied to its own proliferation, and so accelerate, radiating out across the span of need and desire. A power that could uproot cities and hurl them across the Void.

The Tekne.

Mechanism. Only mechanism could save their Voices.

Who's the First Father? The inventor of sorcery?

[Madness]

Lol, I think stylistically Bakker simply uses that repetition a lot . But read into how you like.

[Aural]

Lol, I think stylistically Bakker simply uses that repetition a lot . But read into how you like.

Trying to backtrack after giving it away?

[Madness]

Lol - sure? But wouldn't conceding you the truth of your wrong conclusion fuel your certainty and my mirth?

[Wilshire]

Well he couldn't use "thousandfold" and he already used "million" (a thousand thousand is 1 million). It sounds all mystic-y and old when its described that way.

[Cüréthañ]

Some clue is hidden in there, isn't it? The Thousand Thousand Halls are Inchoroi graves? If not, what did the Nonmen do with the bodies of those thousand thousand Inchoroi they killed in the Cuno-Inchoroi wars?

Well, someone built the Thousand Thousand Halls, presumably for a reason.  Both the Cunuroi and Incoroi are burrowers, Halaroi aren't.  Doesn't seem like something the Dunyain would do either, although they do serve some purpose in their training.

Who's the First Father? The inventor of sorcery?

Perhaps a creator/progenitor myth?

[Francis Buck]

Who's the First Father? The inventor of sorcery?

Perhaps a creator/progenitor myth?
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That's what I assumed when I read that. I've always thought it was very suspicious that there are virtually no creation myths whatsoever, especially within the Inrithi faith or even the Fanim. I really hope it's not another case where, like, at some point in TUC Achamian suddenly remembers "the creation myth of the First Father" and explains as if it's common knowledge that everyone in the religion already knew about and it has just been withheld from the audience until now, but I don't think that will happen.

[Simas Polchias]

I've always thought it was very suspicious that there are virtually no creation myths whatsoever, especially within the Inrithi faith or even the Fanim.

Considering the "wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff" about godlings' existence out of time, splintering of a solitary god and no-god creation (just imagine, people living inside time have fabricated something that can literaly stop creatures living outside time)... So, considering all these circumstances, creation might have been cancelled by PhD's of Golgotterath or, from a certain point of view, have never happened at all.

PS Yep, sometimes I`m a slave to an idea what the whole bakkerverse is a dying body of a collapsing time loop. That's my second favoutire, lol.

[EkyannusIII]

Who's the First Father? The inventor of sorcery?

Perhaps a creator/progenitor myth?


That's what I assumed when I read that. I've always thought it was very suspicious that there are virtually no creation myths whatsoever, especially within the Inrithi faith or even the Fanim.

I think that is a reflection of Bakker's worldbuilding process, and specifically the fact that he did not seriously flesh out Inrithism and it's theology (to whatever extent he has done that at all) until well into his writing of TWP. If you recall Inrau's unfortunate meeting with Not!Sarcellus and the Rape Pigeon, there was a brief exchange in which Inrau asks Auranx why he does what he does, and Auranx laughs and replies "You worship suffering."  This enrages Inrau because "it didn't understand!", but it is never expanded upon later and we still know next to nothing about Inrithism.  I think that Bakker originally intended Inri Sejenus to be a much more exact Christ-analog than he has turned out to be, complete with some sort of atoning vicarious death, hence the "suffering" Auranx mentioned, but that Bakker dropped that idea when drafting TWP in order to improve Kellhus' plot arc with the Circumfixion (you'll note that there is no comparable torment in the life of Sejenus that we know of, although he does get a trial before evil King Shikol, presumably an expy of Pilate). If I am right, this would also explain why Auranx's comment angers Inrau so: the Inchoroi's artificially deadened emotions prevent him from recognizing the difference between bearing suffering to save others and his own psychopathic sadism. 

If all of that is on target, then it is possible that Earwa's version of the Biblical Adam is not discussed in the books because Bakker never worked on that aspect of things, just as he hardly worked on Inrithism's central figure beyond the necessary points needed to serve the narrative purposes of TSA.

[mrganondorf]

Lordy Ashtinahgma!  But this is too cool!

Some clue is hidden in there, isn't it? The Thousand Thousand Halls are Inchoroi graves? If not, what did the Nonmen do with the bodies of those thousand thousand Inchoroi they killed in the Cuno-Inchoroi wars?

Mimara 'let's go, old man, we have bones to inspect' later they find Inchoroi bones

Yatwer shows up and reanimates Sil's corpse like she did with the sranc to Sorweel.  Sil gives Akka the Heron Spear

[locke]

The inchoroi crashed. Just like the non men before them and the humans after them crashed.  All advanced races eventually try to seek and find earwa once they realize damnation is real.  earwa is heaven, and it's denizens war for supremacy of heaven whenever a new race crashes the gates of heaven and creates a new impact crater on earwa.

All typ0s courtesy of Samsung.