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General Earwa / Re: atrithau
« on: July 01, 2015, 11:01:57 am »
Well, coincidentally (and by that I mean, no way it's a coincidence) the two places that "survive" the Apocalypse are Atrithau and Sakarpus.

Atrithau is built on Anarcane ground and Sakarpus has the Chorae Hoard.

As for why this would 'save' them, I'm not sure though.  My guess it is they interfered with the Consult C&C (command and control).

In fact, here is a crackpot theory: Chorae are blind-spots to the No-God.  That's why the carapace is covered in them and why he is constantly asking, "What do you see?"

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General Earwa / Re: The Womb-Plague (A new theory, perhaps?)
« on: June 25, 2015, 08:41:34 pm »
We don't know that there aren't female Dunyain.  All we know is that we haven't seen a female Dunyain, which doesn't really tell us much.  Even the number of male's we've seen has been vanishingly small.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: June 24, 2015, 04:55:19 pm »
Actually, thinking about it, we don't know if any of Kellhus' kids are fertile, do we?  What if they are all sterile?  What if the reason that Dunyain-Human breeding sometimes fails is because the Dunyain have gotten themselves near to being a different species?

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: June 24, 2015, 02:12:40 pm »
Hmm, I need to think more on that.  There is an aspect of the fact that the Dunyain are 'unnatural' to an extent.

I think the White-Luck Warrior might be closer to the 'unprecedented' nature of the Mule though, something Seswatha did not plan for.

It hard for me to work out the intentions here. 

The Consult: Destroy the world, destroy meaning.
The Mandate: Save the world and save meaning.

Therefore, how do we fit in Kellhus.  I feel like his intentions couldn't be the same as either, that is too obvious and formulaic.  So, that leaves us with: destroy the world and save meaning, or save the world, destroy meaning.  I am leaning toward the latter, which means he would actually save the Consult from damnation.

Then what of the WLW?  My guess is that he is an agent of the status-quo.

I don't know, that doesn't quite seem right, so maybe my whole theory is off.

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The Thousandfold Thought / Re: Ciphrang
« on: June 24, 2015, 01:49:18 pm »
I think they would be immortal, but I think two factors keep them from being kept Inside for eternity.

First, if I am right that the physical form is what keeps the Ciphrang bound to the Inside and that the discorporation of said form banishes it, perhaps the pain that they feel is the constant 'erosion' so to speak.  The Inside slowly working apart something that shouldn't be there?

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Unholy Ciphrang, a tormented soul thrust into the agony of the World, harnessed by words like a lion by strings, yoked to the task that would see it freed.

The other thing is, my guess is that a Ciphrang needs constant attention to keep yolked.  I think the limit should be your own endurance to keep it bound, or at least, on track.  I imagine if you fell asleep or passed out, you'd be as good as dead should the Ciphrang decide to turn on you.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: June 24, 2015, 01:19:30 pm »
I think you're right, it took Shae to get some things moving.  However, when I think of what the Consult managed to do with the Tekne, it really says to me that they largely failed to capture what their technology could fully do.  When I think of Wracu, the Heron Spear, the Ark, then see what and (presumably) how they achieved Bashrags and Sranc, it definitely seems to me to show a lack of mastery.

I realize now I am dragging this thread way out of line though.  Maybe I'll dig up a Tekne thread later and talk more about it.

To get more in line, I think the question of Kellhus being good or evil is not answerable, because I don't think he is either.  I don't think this series is really about good versus evil.  It's about subjective meaning.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: June 24, 2015, 12:30:51 am »
One little nit-pick though FB, is that there is a good chance we have actually seen Aurax.  The "interrogation" end scene seems to have been him.

I base this off the fact that if Kellhus was right and the way the Synthese works is by Aurang's body being enscorceled over from inside the Ark, then that had to be Aurax out there, culling humans.  I'm also just inclined to believe that Scott showed us Aurax on purpose, to show that they aren't both reliant on the Synthese.

Now I've rambled on quite a bit and forgot my point.  I'll try to find it again later...

Another thing is that Aurang was seemingly the 'warrior' of the two, being the Horde General and Spearbearer of Sil.  All we are told of Aurax was that rumors said he taught the Mangaecca the Tekne.  I've said this before, I think, but I don't believe that either brother is an expert on the Tekne.  I think actually all of them on the Ark were probably just end users, which is why they lost so much technology over time.

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The Thousandfold Thought / Re: Ciphrang
« on: June 23, 2015, 10:38:38 am »
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Achamian endured its unearthly violence, heaped injury after injury upon its agony.
And in the end it grovelled beneath his song, cringed like a beaten animal, then faded into the blackness …

I guess it is possible that a Ciphrang, when summoned to the Inside, is the essence of a demon held fast within a physical form.  Put enough holes in that form and the essence is now diffuse, with nothing to hold it and the demon is banished.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: June 23, 2015, 01:17:00 am »
General creepiness, those words, the sketchiness of the plague working it's way down the bloodline.  At least for me, that seems to say something is up with him and the Consult is the resident boogeyman, so there's that...

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General Earwa / Re: Emailing Overlook/Orbit on a publication date
« on: June 23, 2015, 01:04:38 am »
Sent my letter to both Overlook and Orbit.  Here's to it making even the slightest of difference...

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General Earwa / Re: Emailing Overlook/Orbit on a publication date
« on: June 22, 2015, 08:22:14 pm »
I think it looks kind of bad if we are all just sending out a 'form letter,' but you guys send it if you want.  I'll send mine above when I get off of work in an hour or so.

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General Misc. / Re: PoN and custom leather book bindings (a dream)
« on: June 22, 2015, 02:37:53 pm »
Where is a good place to upload the dozen-ish pictures I have o the process? Deviant art or something? Never really done that before. This way I can embed pictures in the new post I make rather than just have them as tiny attachments.

I'd use imgur.com, uploading is easy and they give you all the kinds of links you could need.

Can't wait to see how it looks!

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General Earwa / Re: Emailing Overlook/Orbit on a publication date
« on: June 22, 2015, 02:15:24 pm »
Thanks, made the changes, hopefully it reads better now.  My writing style is definitely awkward at times.

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General Earwa / Re: Emailing Overlook/Orbit on a publication date
« on: June 22, 2015, 11:27:27 am »
To Whom it May Concern,

It has come to our attention, as fans of author R. Scott Bakker, that the final volume of his Aspect Emperor series, The Unholy Consult, is seemingly on perpetual hiatus from publication.  This is both bewildering for us as readers and for the author himself, seeing as to how the final volume is critical to bringing both some closure to, indeed, two trilogies (both The Prince of Nothing, and The Aspect Emperor series) while setting the stage for even more editions going forward.   Allow me to explain why I believe that, in fact, not publishing the book in the very near future is a financial mistake on the part of Overlook Press.

Scott has a small, but vocal and quite dedicated group of fans.  Even a small amount of internet research will uncover years of discussion, speculation, and appreciation for the series, beginning with The Darkness The Comes before and continuing through The White-Luck Warrior.  What does this mean for you, the publisher?  The series has all the makings of a cult-classic.  Given the success of recent movies and TV shows from the likes of Rowling, Martin, and Tolkien, the time is now for epic fantasy, a role Bakker fulfills like few others can.

Indeed, the proverbial 'iron' is hot, the series is ripe for the 'striking', but honestly only if the series can present some kind of reasonable expectation of a conclusion.  Fans of Martin's A Games of Thrones are loath to start yet another series with no end in the foreseeable future.  Presenting Scott's work as a completed arc is a great sales pitch, giving readers a chance to jump into a deep series, with no wait for a conclusion.  As such, every day, month, (and hopefully a level not reached) year, is harmful both to sales of The Unholy Consult, and to the entire series.  Also, considering the low opportunity cost to simply publishing the book, as the manuscript is already in your hands, and the overwhelmingly positive upside to having two trilogies that can be sold as 'completed,' it only makes sense to try to publish The Unholy Consult as soon as possible.  Indeed, the delay only serves to harm the value of the work, which is in no one, not the author's, not the fan's, not you the publisher's, nor the potential future reader's, best interest.

As the delay lengthens there is also the real possibility that the book could be released closer to Martin's Winds of Winter, which again, serves absolutely no one's best interests, considering how much attention will be given that book.  The Unholy Consult should, indeed, almost must, precede its publication.  The time to seize itinerant fantasy readers in the midst of Martin's writing (and the Game of Thrones show) hiatus, in fact means that this book is primed for release right now actually.  The next few months are critical, the book should be published post-haste, to really capitalize on these factors.  As we go forward, the show will be back for it's next season, the book will be written and this unique time and it's subsequent opportunity, will be lost.  The optimal window, so to speak, is fast closing, and will not open again.

I really hope that this case is given real consideration.  I thank you for your time in reading this, I (and Scott and many fans) thank you for all that you can do in bring this book to a quick publication.

Sincerely,
Matthew Pate

Could someone proof read this for me?  Does it sound dumb?  I just woke up and scrawled this down...

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: June 22, 2015, 10:30:31 am »
I also have zero doubt that the Bardic Priest is a Consult spy.  This doesn't prove to me that the Consult is responsible for the Dunyain though.

As I reckon it, the Consult Connection doesn't seem to hold up.  Sure, there are plausible reasons why they could be, but for me they just don't add up.  Sure, the interrogation scene could be a farce for the readers, but that the just doesn't seem like Scott's usual MO of 'the truth, as they know it.'    Considering their...relationship...I tend to doubt that Shae has any real secrets from A&A now-a-days.

To me, it is far most plausible that either Celmomas sent the Dunyain there, or Seswatha.  This is due to the language clue (Dunyanic is closely related to Kûniüri, the language of both Celmomas and Seswatha), the fact that only those two knew of Ishual's location, and the subsequent blindness of the Consult to them.

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