Can't remember where it's stated, but the Nail only appeared in the sky shortly before Arkfall, the implication being that it's something to do with the Inchoroi.

OK, I fear we're missing the point. Let me rephrase the question not as "why would they fear damnation" but rather "why wouldn't they all be Ciphrang".

But Cnaiur would enjoy himself quite a lot, I think. Anyway, the point is that as nasty a piece of work Cnauir (or Ginyursis or any of them are)or how strong willed they are, they pale in comparison, no? Ten thousand years of hatred, of inflicting misery and pain, drenched in suffering and malice. Come on!

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Awesome is a good adjective to describe this book.

The right one even. SR, I've missed you, friend .

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Saubon's death in TGO was heartbreaking. "Don't listen to him!" indeed.

I really liked that glorious, damaged bastard.  It was a great and terrible moment, with more than a little foreshadowing for poor Proyas.

That was such a horrifying and *awesome* moment in TGO. When I read the draft I immediately stopped, grabbed my TWP, and checked Saubon's scene. That poor fuck.

Completely. For me this was the biggest breath taking moment in the whole seven books.

Poor Saubon.

Guys, first up, I'm on holiday and on my phone so it's difficult to read the TWO PAGES of new content  So, if this is being discussed already then please somebody link me to it!

OK, from my read of the AMA, there were two direct questions regarding whether Ajokli was sending the visions. The first asked if it was Ajokli, and Bakker replied with "that would certainly seem to be a safe supposition". The second time asked if Ajokli had been talking to Kellhus since the Circumfix and the reply was "that which comes after determines that which comes before". Paraphrasing both times, sorry.

I note he does not say "yes" in either case.

I don't believe it's Ajokli at all. I'm not letting go of the Outside Kellhus theory unless it's prized from my child dead hands. Thoughts?

Sorry, that was all on my phone. For surveyors, read sorcerous. Other typos also abound.

Basically, it's a good point but I assume nothing. Ajokli might not be able to find Kellhus because he's on the belt, or because he's in the Outside and the Outside is shut. I assume nothing any more!

^^ agreed.

I think TheCulminatingApe is spot on.

Curethan, you're being too literal. Don't worry about balls throwing balls. Think about the entity that is embodied by the concept of the Subject. And similarly for the Object. Apply that analogy (which is exactly what language is in Earwan metaphysics) to the case of a soul.