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The Unholy Consult / Re: Why would the Inchoroi fear damnation?
« on: January 31, 2020, 07:27:58 am »
To my recollection, the so far one and only solid confirmation of Oblivion being an option has been given to us when a Ciphrang was unable to snatch the soul of a Nonman while rampaging through the Ark. The soul just vanished, like it was never there.

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General Earwa / Re: The Consult's Plans [TUC Spoilers}
« on: January 31, 2020, 07:16:50 am »
The Consult before the Dunyain taking over likely had no means to gather enough material for the No-God. The logistics doesn't work, all of the populous nations are too far away from Golgoterrath, which wasn't the case during the first Apocalypse, when the North was still settled. Now, the moment the Three Seas are conquered by the newly assembled Horde, it might be feasible to feed the Sarcophagus in a concise manner again.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« on: December 06, 2019, 08:55:28 am »
Well, we did kill the thread for everyone else, it seems. The glamorous life of having no friends.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« on: December 05, 2019, 03:51:29 pm »
Yeah, pretty much my thinking here!

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« on: December 05, 2019, 09:26:07 am »
Indeed. The Gods are just another way of perceiving consciousness, different from what more conventional beings like Men observe. Men move through time, which creates a certain frame of reference for conscious experience. The Gods do not, and so their frame of reference is different, atemporal. The consciousness itself, though, needs not be fractured for this, only perceived as such by Men.

And I agree, atemporal doesn't mean eternal. There is a limit to their being, and this is likely why the World will be shut, i.e. "the Inchoroi must win".

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The Unholy Consult / Re: (TUC Spoilers) Thoughts on TUC
« on: October 01, 2019, 11:18:40 pm »
I'm reasonably certain there will be similarities to the First Apocalypse and new revelations alike (on the latter part especially, I'm with H).

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General Misc. / Re: What are you watching?
« on: September 06, 2019, 06:13:49 am »
She was actually into the trailer, until that faerie thing sprouted wings, then it was "too fantasy."  If it's subdued fantasy though, I'll have a case, maybe.
The wings are never treated as magic, though. It's just a physical curiosity as far as everyone in the show is concerned, nothing more. Even considering fae fly, but absolutely should not be able to (which is never brought up).

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2019, 09:39:25 pm »
I searched the entire series and I could not find a reference to an "oar" in relation to the Ark.  So, I'm genuinely unsure what people are trying to construe that as.
Are you sure you haven't missed anything in your search?
http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=2408.msg39660#msg39660

As I quoted earlier, it's not only in the Glossary.

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The No-God / Re: Any news from Bakker?
« on: August 26, 2019, 01:34:46 am »
Haven't really been keeping up since TUC was released... was just wondering if I missed anything interesting that's come out. Any info at all on the progress of TNG or anything?
To the best of my knowledge, absolutely nothing.

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General Earwa / Re: Thought about other supports?
« on: August 08, 2019, 10:12:50 pm »
Inb4 anyone mentions FATAL. Don't Google at work!

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The taboo against meaning?
« on: July 16, 2019, 07:47:17 pm »
Again I have to confess to perhaps missing the point - you mention Everett but it seems like you are bringing the observer into wave-function collapse? And I thought MWI removed the observer?
It's more that I don't see branching, the many worlds thing, as particularly relevant in the context of universal wavefunction. The function itself is interesting, as being all-encompassing in a not really clear way. In essence, there is one "wavenction", whatever that might really be, that is the whole universe. And that function is always the same, while containing all the infinite collapses within itself. And yes, it would absolutely be valid to interpret those collapses as the universal wavefunction interfering with itself.

I say all of this as a counterargument to your not seeing relations without relata. In this view, there is precisely 1 relatum, the universal wavefunction.

I'm pretty sure that MWI does not "remove" the observer.  If I understand it correctly, and this is a big if, all it really says is that any time the wave function collapses, be it from observation, or just from, say, radioactive decay, there is a "branching."
This is correct, MWI doesn't really concern itself with the observer effect, it's not interested in why the collapse happens, it wants to explain what the collapse is, or how it should be viewed. This is exactly why it's not really popular, since its explanation is not constructive.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The taboo against meaning?
« on: July 16, 2019, 04:13:26 pm »
'The wave is not in the underlying stuff; it is in the spatial pattern of detector clicks... We cannot help but think of the clicks as caused by little localized pieces of stuff that we might as well call particles.
Neither wave nor particle presuppose wave-particle duality, that comes from observation. And what follows in the quote is correct, the clicks are called particles for convenience, and the same can be said for the wave. Reducing this to the simplest assumption (?) would postulate the simplest (?) thing - it is. It is at the same time universal and non-reducible, the most basic thing and the most complex one.

This is what I see as the universal wavefunction as proposed by Everett.

Emergence of everything else would require a subset of the universal wavefunction to self-reflect, seeing things different from it as the "underlying stuff", thus becoming a frame of reference.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The taboo against meaning?
« on: July 16, 2019, 01:10:54 pm »
Apologies as we may be taking the discussion above my intellectual pay grade but are you arguing for Idealism?
Not likely!

I'm fine with that, but doesn't that make objects within consciousness the relata? It's just there is no substance outside our phenomenology...right?
Not at all, though my position would be conductive to idealism, except ideals would also be relative, however strange that sounds. Just the most basic form of relation.

I'm arguing against discreteness, in a simplified and at the same time more concrete form my position would be close to the concept of universal wave-function (but with much less focus on many worlds, though by no means excluding them):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_wavefunction

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The taboo against meaning?
« on: July 15, 2019, 10:07:22 pm »
For there to be relationally measured behaviors that we extrapolate into Laws of Nature there have to be relata acting out behavior we then circularly hold as obeying the Laws?
Not necessarily, no.

Here, you assume that there are discrete noumena, but it also all might be the same, just looked at from different angles and distances. This way, it's already non-reducible. As in, there is no difference between Noumenology and Phenomenology.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The taboo against meaning?
« on: July 15, 2019, 09:19:14 pm »
So it's relations all the way down? It seems there has to be relata?
Yes, since our frames of reference seem to be not one but many, and things start to acquire their properties where those frames are clashing. But even such points are relational, they're just more common because there is a lot of common ground between different human beings.

Hypothetically, other beings, in all likelihood, would see other clashing points, thus basically having another reality(-ies).

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