The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Unholy Consult => Topic started by: TheHangedMan on August 05, 2017, 11:53:49 pm

Title: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! ....I know what He is!"
Post by: TheHangedMan on August 05, 2017, 11:53:49 pm
So, did a Seswatha reveal end up being cut from the book? I saw it teased in one of the promotional images for TUC and therefore suffered surprise (read: major blue balls) when we didn't find out Seswatha's secret and why the changing dreams.

As an aside,  Nau-Cayuti's parentage... after what we learn about him in TUC it seems obvious to conclude that he was a true blood son of Celmomas. However, Achamian dreaming himself as Nau-Cayuti (some of the best content the series IMO) is more easily explained if Nau-Cayuti was Seswatha's love child as has been speculated.

Has it ever been theorized that Seswatha was a bastard Anisurimbor? He and Celmomas were actually half brothers or cousins, and Nau-Cayuti was an affair product.


*edited out a possible minor spoiler from the title
Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! Saccarees, I know what He is!"
Post by: The Sharmat on August 06, 2017, 12:11:03 am
He dreams of Nau-Cayuti because the homunculus inside every Mandate Schoolman is actually Shauriatas not Seswatha. The Mandate was designed to ensure that one day the might of the remaining human civilizations died bringing an Anasurimbor to Golgotterath.

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Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! Saccarees, I know what He is!"
Post by: Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo on August 06, 2017, 12:21:25 am
Quote from: The Sharmat on August 06, 2017, 12:11:03 am
He dreams of Nau-Cayuti because the homunculus inside every Mandate Schoolman is actually Shauriatas not Seswatha. The Mandate was designed to ensure that one day the might of the remaining human civilizations died bringing an Anasurimbor to Golgotterath.

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Wow, that would have been fucking interesting.
Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! Saccarees, I know what He is!"
Post by: TheHangedMan on August 06, 2017, 12:22:23 am
Quote from: The Sharmat on August 06, 2017, 12:11:03 am
He dreams of Nau-Cayuti because the homunculus inside every Mandate Schoolman is actually Shauriatas not Seswatha. The Mandate was designed to ensure that one day the might of the remaining human civilizations died bringing an Anasurimbor to Golgotterath.

I almost missed your spoiler and was about to ask for citations. I kind of like that theory on its surface, as a Shauriatas "fan" :P.
Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! ....I know what He is!"
Post by: fecklessfool on August 06, 2017, 04:51:30 am
Wouldn't the No-God not be damned as no one on the Outside can see him?

So why did Nau-Cayuti see himself as damned in the Inverse Fire?

Or is he not as No-God as Kel?
Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! ....I know what He is!"
Post by: SmilerLoki on August 06, 2017, 11:50:52 am
Quote from: fecklessfool on August 06, 2017, 04:51:30 am
Wouldn't the No-God not be damned as no one on the Outside can see him?

So why did Nau-Cayuti see himself as damned in the Inverse Fire?

Or is he not as No-God as Kel?
I'm not sure we should equalise the soul that powers the Object with the No-God itself.
Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! ....I know what He is!"
Post by: Madness on August 06, 2017, 02:15:54 pm
Quote from: TheHangedMan on August 05, 2017, 11:53:49 pm
So, did a Seswatha reveal end up being cut from the book? I saw it teased in one of the promotional images for TUC and therefore suffered surprise (read: major blue balls) when we didn't find out Seswatha's secret and why the changing dreams.

Lol, I tried to counsel MG about his teasers - which I will say were exceedingly difficult to come up with, what with zero input from TMH - and I warned the fans that any teasers by MG would reflect his interpretation of the text.

MG - if I may paraphrase you in your absence - wrote that teaser because he believes that the God in Celmomas' TGO Dream is Ajokli, not Gilgaol, and MG believes that Ajokli is responsible for the Dunyain and the Celmomian Prophecy.

EDIT: Also, welcome back, TheHangedMan :)!
Title: Re: [TUC spoilers] "I know the truth of Him! ....I know what He is!"
Post by: The Sharmat on August 06, 2017, 05:21:29 pm
Quote from: fecklessfool on August 06, 2017, 04:51:30 am
Wouldn't the No-God not be damned as no one on the Outside can see him?

So why did Nau-Cayuti see himself as damned in the Inverse Fire?

Or is he not as No-God as Kel?
Excellent question. A shame we'll never know if Kel looked in the Inverse Fire and if he did what he saw.