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Author Q&A / Re: Unholy Consultation - *SUPER SPOILERIFIC*
« on: July 29, 2017, 01:14:54 am »
Did we see any of the Mutilated in previous books?
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Quote from: CondYokeI asked this somewhere else, but doesn't the existence of the outside, as it is, auger the ultimate failure of the consult? If the , I just think it is overly complex.
Hahaha- just dunk's theory, not the overall... I'll be puzzling over the series' questions for years to come!
Never!
Quote from: CondYokeI asked this somewhere else, but doesn't the existence of the outside, as it is, auger the ultimate failure of the consult? If the outside is timeless, wouldn't it be closed for ever once it is closed? If they succeeded sometime in the "future", it would "already" be closed, no?
Excellent observation! And, i think you are correct. If somewhere along the way the Outside is shut, then it would always be shut, just like Kel was always the No-God. Wow, what a great theory. I think this points to the failure of the No-God.
I believe Kellhua is now warring on the Outside with the 100 and trying to create an Outside where damnation will not exist as it does now. Maybe he is trying to bring forth the God of Gods and stop Objective morality, i dunno (just my guess). But, i think Kellhus has come to believe in humanity, hence him truly warring against the Consult to prevent the rise of the No-God. And, if he failed in that, he believed humanity would find a way to survive and defeat the No-God. Maybe Mimara and the tapestry is proof of this? That she is the key to defeat the No-God? Remember, we have Akka's dream (the "real" dreams) where the Heron Spear doesnt kill the No-God, they dont know what did. Maybe a soul like Mimara did?
What? How about when Nau-Cayuti was the No-God...could the gods see Kelmomas then?You are projecting our sense of time onto the gods, the gods experience the entire timeline at once. Since Kelmomas ended up being the No-God, he has always been the No-God to the gods. As we see when Mimara looks at him with the Judging Eye. Mimara is another example. She gets the Eye because she miscarries, even before she ever was pregnant since the gods don't distinguish between before, after or during because of how they perceive time. They also have no memory (and why would they if they can always see everything that ever happened and will happen) so they are oblivious to the timeline changing. At least that is what Kellhus claims.
I get the confusion, Bakker is definitely fucking with cause and effect, and our sense of time throughout the books. As well as many other things we take for granted. I can't quite wrap my head around how people can prophesy things that even the gods can't see.
An annoying nitpick from me skuthula is mentioned a few times to have Emerald burning eyes.
Ha, apparently I didn't make them emerald-y or burn-y enough to show up on the low-res images. Here's a shot of the full-res face.
EDIT: Oh, and thanks, everyone. Glad you all liked them.
I thought the same reading it, but who knows. After the end of TUC I live in the darkness (that comes before).
Yes, I was referring to Kelmomas- his journey seems improbable, given the timeline, and the fact that, despite being .5 Dunyain, that's a long climb. And agin, how'd he get through the hoard, the ordeal, and the intrinsic gate without being seen? And why does his presence allow the skin spy to move?
It seemed so abrupt that I can't help but think this is all part of the plan... TTT that is. (I.e. Kellhus knew Esmi would release Kel jr., he would be salted, etc...)
ah, I'll just show myself out, then.
The clues in the lead up to the final confrontation for me are.The "hooded figure" is a nonman, by description "porcelain scalp"- but soulless...?
1. Ciphrang able to get around the control of the Daimos.
2. Same Ciphrang not able to find the soul in someone, maybe a skinspy or maybe a consequence of being in a deep topoi.
But the Mandate didn't know about it, which I find very strange, considering they are basically the foremost proprietors of history in TTS. No text, anywhere, suggesting that Ishual exists, not even the name, other than on a single map sealed away in a super vault. So not only did the Consult not know about it, but no written historical text of any kind survived that had its name even written.
I will agree that the Dunyain stumbling upon it by accident seems contrived, and I suspect that there are a lot of things about the creation of the Dunyain that we don't know about.