Earwa > The White-Luck Warrior
Speculation on the end of the Unholy Consult
What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Madness ---While I realize we have some astute chemists and biologists kicking around, I'd hazard that this is fiction. Kellhus would instantly know more about the Tekne then anyone alive (even to the point of being a prodigy among the dead Inchoroi, as the Tekne is tailor made for Dunyain philosophy). He's probably going to do something to himself to move further towards the Self-Moving Soul - which seems to be inherent to "saving the world," if he's interested in that at all.
+1 coobek. The Dunyain need the "true" foundational variables of the world - their Project is flawed in isolation. Sorcery. Faith. The Tekne?
War is mostly necessary for worldly domination.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Borric ---I used to think he required the Tekne for immortality.
But after reading the first half of the Unholy Consult chapter, it’s obvious this was not how Shaeonanra achieved his immortality.
So i guess it was yet another Tekne ability they have lost, or one that does not work for humans.
So i had kind of ruled out a search for immortality, and can’t see another great reason/use for the Tekne.
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: Garet Jax ---
--- Quote from: Madness ---
Btw, out of curiousity, have you all realized that Mimara is going to die giving birth to a stillborn baby?
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(Post from another thread that reminded me of this one.)
An Anasurimbor womb plague? Has Kellhus been to the Ark and striving for immortality the same way the nonmen were "granted" theirs? Fits kind of nice into the idea that AK would want to learn the Tekne to add to his known variables.
"Don't be born into a world of automatic damnation if your goal is salvation." -Me
Not sure if that is where you were going with it, but that is where you led me...
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: WillemB ---I like this idea that Kellhus would be after the Tekne. If he is indeed still sane, we need to assume that his feelings towards humanity and the Consult are essentially ambivalent; important only in as much as they help him towards his goal.
I could see a scenario where he uses the Ordeal as a bargaining chip/entry point into cutting a deal with the Consult, maybe acting as mediator in exchange for access to their technology. Maybe he helps them establish themselves in their own little bubble in the Outside, or gets them to agree to some kind of truce.
You know, that would be logical, and Dunyain-esque, but is a bit of a whimpering finale to the series, isn't it?
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What Came Before:
--- Quote from: lockesnow ---
--- Quote from: Garet Jax ---
--- Quote from: Madness ---
Btw, out of curiousity, have you all realized that Mimara is going to die giving birth to a stillborn baby?
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(Post from another thread that reminded me of this one.)
An Anasurimbor womb plague? Has Kellhus been to the Ark and striving for immortality the same way the nonmen were "granted" theirs? Fits kind of nice into the idea that AK would want to learn the Tekne to add to his known variables.
"Don't be born into a world of automatic damnation if your goal is salvation." -Me
Not sure if that is where you were going with it, but that is where you led me...
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riffing off this, what if the 'no births' thing was not at all related to the no-god? What if it was a coincidence that it occurred at the same time? and because both occurred, everyone has always assumed that the No-God is the cause--particularly because all men could feel his presence. They've made a classic cognitive error!
So what would cause the 'no births' thing? Someone having the judging eye getting pregnant and giving birth for the first time. And the 'no births' effect of the judging eye persists until the death of the person with the judging eye or the death of the TJE child (last child born).
So the whole reason humanity rallied against the No God (the no births) was not even a cause of the No God. Perhaps TJE was caused by Ajokli, as a WLW esque phenomena meant to oppose the No God.
This would make the Consult a little less dumb. And once they realize that humanity is unified against them for no reason of their own (they probably thought they had come up with a clever little anti-damnation device), they decide to take the field. For two reasons, one, Shae is freaked out because The Inverse Fire still shows them as damned, and the No God was supposed to stop that so they want TJE to confirm the IF diagnosis. and two, if they manage to kill whatever random chick has TJE, they end the no births phenomena and that will end humanity's will to fight and they can go back to turtle in Golgotteranth for eternity, with their little corner of the world shut to the outside.
The problem then arises that when TJE sees the NG the metaphysics that allow the No God are neutralized and a new ground is reasserted, a frame without the No God is established and the No God goes pfft.
When the No God goes pfft, everyone around dies, unless they were a sorcerer with a ward up.
That means the random peasant woman of Mengedda who had the Judging Eye who saw the No God with it died moments after the No God died, thus ending the No Births effect of the Judging Eye manifesting in the world--and neatly terminating the gods' interference in the world after the useful human has no more use.
And no one was ever the wiser.
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