[Wilshire]

I didn't think the White-Luck had anything to do with Gilgaol?

[The Sharmat]

He doesn't. Because Cnaiur is kicking his ass all over the Outside.

[Wilshire]

Even assuming that this wasn't happening, why would Gilgaol have anything to do with Yatwer and her pawns?

[The Sharmat]

It's just a joke. You're over thinking it.

[Wilshire]

I take speculation very seriously

[The Sharmat]

Well if we're being serious, I don't think anything actually explicitly states the White-Luck Warrior belongs to Yatwer. This White-Luck Warrior does, though. There's no reason to think Gilgaol couldn't make one, if he wanted, I suppose.

As to what Gilgaol has to do with Yatwer and her pawns...allegedly, Gilgaol is Yatwer's brother. And Birth and War are the two most popular of the Gods.

[Wilshire]

Hmmm, maybe only Yatwer and Gilgaol have the capacity to create such a thing.

As for being brother/sister and the most popular, and therefore powerful, I had always thought they opposed eachother rather vehemently. Not a happy family.

[The Sharmat]

Who can say? Gilgaol is taken for patron by the warrior castes of Earwa, and Yatwerian theology condemns them as "Takers".

But does Yatwer really feel that way? And how can something that had no parents have siblings? How much of anything that people in the Three Seas have to say about the nature of the agencies of the Outside is true at all?

[Wilshire]

Then they must have parents if they are siblings, and though they no longer know it, Earwanians created the gods.

[The Sharmat]

Siblings could be a metaphorical relationship. Something something birth is the battlefield of women ancient misogyny something something

[Wilshire]

Something something birth is the battlefield of women ancient misogyny something something

lmao.

Yeah it could be a metaphor, men have such a poor understanding of the things they worship.

[mrganondorf]

Who can say? Gilgaol is taken for patron by the warrior castes of Earwa, and Yatwerian theology condemns them as "Takers".

But does Yatwer really feel that way? And how can something that had no parents have siblings? How much of anything that people in the Three Seas have to say about the nature of the agencies of the Outside is true at all?

i don't have any answers for you but your post made me think of Hesiod's Theogeny where Athena is born out of Zeus' head and Aphrodite is born twice   i think the initial 4 entities just show up without precursor

[mrganondorf]

Well if we're being serious, I don't think anything actually explicitly states the White-Luck Warrior belongs to Yatwer. This White-Luck Warrior does, though. There's no reason to think Gilgaol couldn't make one, if he wanted, I suppose.

As to what Gilgaol has to do with Yatwer and her pawns...allegedly, Gilgaol is Yatwer's brother. And Birth and War are the two most popular of the Gods.

lol, i'm imagining 2 dozen white luck warriors converging all at once!  maybe this is Moenghus plan: get kilt, ascend, arrange for multiple white luck warriors to converge, create singulairy, ..., profit!

[mrganondorf]

Any crimes committed by Kellhus after the events in TTT we can assume are done with the greater plan of ridding the world of the Consult and Inchoroi in mind.

How does this mesh with the belief Kellhus professes in TTT that the No-God is somehow speaking to him?

i'm not entirely sure that Kellhus does think that the No-God is speaking to him.  i know it sounds stupid, but i think all we know is that he has the visions, then he reports to Aurang and Moenghus that the No-God is speaking to him.  perhaps Kellhus is just playing a part?  he knows that someone wants him to think that the NG is talking to him, so he plays a long.  it would be a neat surprise is Kellhus knew that someone (Moenghus, the gods, whoever) was setting him up to be broken so he played the role hiding his own motives

[EkyannusIII]

Why does the Outside get to measure the Inside using its own standards, but the Inside doesn't get to judge the Outside?

...

Because the Outside created the Inside, which has no being or reality apart from what the Outside gives it, and which is literally nothing of itself?  There is no possibility of parity in such a relationship.