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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 03:29:23 am »
Speaking of "intentions" ... we may be mistaken that the No-God will "behave" in a certain way. He/it does ask us what do we see, what is he ... sounds like Kel speaking to me. Like a child confused as to what costume he's wearing ( hey ma, how do I look? ). He may be able to modify the effects of the carapace and make independent decisions. The narration tells of it modifying him ( think it alludes to being painful modification ), but Kel may still yet be an independent agent and may surprise us with actions other than the mass murder of 174+ million people.

And Kellhus had something ( a voice in his head ) asking those same questions - interesting exposure to something that occurs in the future when you're dead. Kel "talking" to his dad from the future? Hmm ... I don't know ... could be Kellhus is "somewhere" where he can hear those questions in real time ( if saved, maybe in Heaven ... or maybe in Hell, the 4 Horned may have kept to Kellhus's "deals" - Kellhus could have foreseen his death, maybe not exactly how it would happen, but the arrival of the No-God doesn't necessarily spell the end of the path for the TTT ).
Hm... Since TDTCB I percieved the No God's questions as coming from a lost mind... someone utterly helpless, trapped within that object (now we know that there is a fusion subject-object), truly wanting to know who he was. It's like Nau Cayuti's mind was erased, brainwashed, since System Initiation, and acts like someone with amnesia. That implies a big dissociation between Mog Pharau's actions (including the Boding) and his utterances, though. I hope Scotty show us the whole thing in the NG series.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 30, 2017, 12:44:35 am »
The Oar assumedly meaning the No-God. Seeing as it lacked chorae that one protected it until the Chorae Horde Shroud Whirlwind arose.
The Oar assumedly meaning the swarm-choirtalking-horde.
Why? The No-God was called the prosthesis of the Ark. Oar for the Ark. Seems pretty clear.
Didn't get it that way. It sounds logical. But then again, it's Bakker the Deciever we're dealing with...

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 09:55:50 pm »
The Oar assumedly meaning the No-God. Seeing as it lacked chorae that one protected it until the Chorae Horde Shroud Whirlwind arose.
The Oar assumedly meaning the swarm-choirtalking-horde.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 08:41:36 pm »
  I don't see why their retreat against massive slaughter is so unthinkable.
Why, because of their behavior in the TAE books. Kamikaze like. And I don't think they were about to be slaughtered. Sheer numbers would have prevailed, that's what Bakker was telling us again and again.
I think their behavior proves otherwise, as noted. The Horde flees for nearly the entire Istyuli Plain. If they never had an inclination to flee, they would have all rushed for the Ordeal in the first place.

And they were winning until the Quya reassert in the Canal where they can effectively wipe them out. Long sweepings of metagnostic sundering from Kellhus, a horn dropped on them, the spearman threat gone, an Inchoroi defeated, and the Quya figuring things out - things tipped against them.
But we're talking about the Ark! Not a strategy to better maim the Ordeal in the long journey. And the swarm movement and silence is really indicating something is going on. The No God, no less. Even Bakker (quote someone brought here) says that the hologram was for the Horde to reload or something like that.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 08:20:30 pm »
That's why I'm not assertive; we speak about conjectures, discard some and choose the likeliest, or whay we like the most.
I apologize if I came off as criticizing you, I really wasn't! I only voiced my thoughts on the matter in a somewhat utilitarian manner.

Returning to topic, I also think there is not much to go by even for conjectures. A lot of interpretations can be proposed, but none can be definitively proven. Or even considered likely, unfortunately.
Don't mention it!

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 08:08:34 pm »
Why both? The boding does not depend on manouvering a million brains. It just happen because the No God exists. I think the Boding was on its way, while the horde was being reset.
I mean, we don't know how did it work precisely, so I note this fact. Maybe the Boding is harder, maybe the Horde-controlling, maybe other things, maybe everything combined. It can go every way, there is no further evidence to support a particular theory.
That's why I'm not assertive; we speak about conjectures, discard some and choose the likeliest, or those we like the most.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:56:48 pm »
It implies the No-God needed time to start operating at capacity, which should impact its abilities, the Death of Birth and Horde-controlling among them.
Why both? The boding does not depend on manouvering a million brains. It just happen because the No God exists. I think the Boding was on its way, while the horde was being reset.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:48:39 pm »
  I don't see why their retreat against massive slaughter is so unthinkable.
Why, because of their behavior in the TAE books. Kamikaze like. And I don't think they were about to be slaughtered. Sheer numbers would have prevailed, that's what Bakker was telling us again and again.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:41:34 pm »
I don't think the Hoard can be routed, it is too big to ever know that it is defeated.  I'd say that the No-God pulled the Hoard back for a sec while he did his Kellhus act.
Yes, but I think it was the other way around. He did his Kellhus act to give time to the Horde to reset their swarm-brains.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:25:13 pm »
The Horde fleeing could mean that. Or they could have been routed given the massive slaughter (over a million corpses there, mostly Scranc, as noted) with the Quya pushing them out of the Canal.

Sranc routed? Really?
EDIT And in silence?
Sranc can be routed, they were driven across the large of the Istyuli plains before being forced to fight at Dagliash. As far as the silence, relating to the Canal just being cleared and those outside running. It wasn't literally silent so much as the contract from before. At least that's how it read to me.

I assume SmilerLoki is referencing the fact that The Boding is not described until after the births. Which might be fair, given that apparently everyone around the world could feel it. It seems quite a significant horror. Not that I think that is conclusive proof otherwise either.
But in Golgotterath, defending the Ark, it seems impossible to me that Sranc flee, unless the No God is activating their swarm-brains, prepairing the choir to speak en masse.


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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 07:13:12 pm »
The Boding clearly begins after both births, not before.
Source, please?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 06:59:59 pm »
The Horde fleeing could mean that. Or they could have been routed given the massive slaughter (over a million corpses there, mostly Scranc, as noted) with the Quya pushing them out of the Canal.

Sranc routed? Really?
EDIT And in silence?

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 06:55:59 pm »
One last thought (too many). When Mimara checked her own belly with the Eye (still pregnant)... it blanked.
I think this means that Souls get into the world at the moment of birth. That explains why the No-God, sealing the world from incoming souls, kills not only babies conceived after Resumption, but also unborn babies concieved before Resumption. That explains why Mimara didn't see anything in her womb.
Sorry if this has been debated somewhere else. Or maybe there's nothing to debate and this was obvious?

Didn't that happened before she even gave birth to the first baby, though? Or am I misremembering?
Yes, still pregnant with both babies. That´s the reason of my reasoning.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: Big question about the consult's intentions.
« on: August 29, 2017, 06:10:32 pm »
If you do have the book, there is nothing to say. I was speaking by memory.
A friend of mine borrowed it (and there is another waiting in line), so it will be a time until I can check it again.
EDIT: Anyway, when the horde flees, it means that Resumption took place, IMO. Second birth could have been just then.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: TUC Jason Deem artwork (possible spoilers...?)
« on: August 29, 2017, 06:06:42 pm »
Marvelous pictures. I would love to see Cnaiur by this great artist.

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