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General Earwa / Re: Cishaurim
« on: July 26, 2015, 02:07:36 pm »
The question for me then becomes one of methodology: how do the Cishaurim train themselves to do this?
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The Consult: Destroy the world, destroy meaning.
The Mandate: Save the world and save meaning.
Therefore, how do we fit in Kellhus. I feel like his intentions couldn't be the same as either, that is too obvious and formulaic. So, that leaves us with: destroy the world and save meaning, or save the world, destroy meaning. I am leaning toward the latter, which means he would actually save the Consult from damnation.
This is good, except that this implies that the Dunyain knew of the prophesy from the start, or at least very early on, and I thought that Celmomas didn't die until after the Dunyain too up refuge in Ishual.
this is cool! -- are you saying that the Dunyain tried to fulfill the prophecy with Moenghus but got it wrong? kind of like what happens in Dune with the Kwizathaderach (sp?)
Look at kellhus' rapist/pedophile rationalization for raping Leweth's soul. Leweth was like a child and could be controlled, so kellhus exalted in controlling for controls sake, Leweth was asking for it, so to speak, Leweth "liked" it in the end, kellhus was smarter/more mature/stronger/better so he was entitled to Leweth's soul because of those things, Leweth's consent was irrelevant to kellhus slaying his unquenchable desires. And of course kellhus eventually hunts down Leweth's soul and rapes it the way the bard hunted down the bastard and raped him a few pages earlier.
But kellhus rationalized away all his crimes, his motivations, his emotions, dismissing them by claiming he was above them.
The Dunyain today could be as ignorant of the Darkness that came before them, even as they were the ones that created it.
That's fine. I see no reason to believe any of those things though, and there are simpler explanations requiring less faith.