Hmm...ok, some (probably) idiotic ramblings (it's too long since i read all the books)

I really want Kellhus to die...i hate this character since the TWP. Unfortunately, i don't think i will get what i want. Somehow i think Kellhus might be the next No God.

Or maybe that's Kelmomas (he creeps me out).

I really hope Serwa will live...i like her  I also want to see some more action out of Kellhus' two oldest sons (Moenghus and Kayutas). So i hope they live although i think it is very likely that at least one of them dies.

Mimara and her JE will be needed so i think she'll live.

Btw (as i said, the reading of the books is some time ago, so please be gentle ), do we know who the WLW is? I think not. I always thought it'd be ironic if Sorweel is the WLW. Maybe he even kills Kellhus (or at least it seems that way).

And what i have read so far, i do not think Akka end Esmi will get a reunion happy end kind of thing 

Nice post, Francis.

I do not agree with all you said, but overall i liked it.

Two things that i wanted to pick out:

Lots of twists and turns (no one can say it's predictable).

To be honest, this is only true of his first book (the unpredictability). I think the first book and Ned's End really got everyone by surprise. After that...not so much. For example, it always surprises me how many people were totally flabbergasted by the red wedding...i so saw this coming from page 1 of the 3rd Book.

It's very clear that GRRM is extremely passionate about his work and, if anything, is willing to sacrifice popularity for his own idea of "getting it right". I mean this is the same guy that made his fans wait ten years...ten years...to find out what happened to the characters that are generally considered the "most popular". He doesn't really seem like the type of dude who gives a fuck what people think of his shit.

Meh...i don't know how passionate he is anymore...there is a reason why we had to wait ten years for one book (book 4 and 5 are one book, don't let anybody fool you) but i don't think it is his passion. He was doing tons and tons of stuff (also for other novel-universes he writes in) just not continuing on his major work. He was a lazy ****. And if you read all the whining and grinding he did on his blog about fans who wanted to know when the f*** he would sit down on his ass again and start writing...i really don't think that the way you paint him is acurate.

Anyway... don't get me wrong, i really like ASoIaF...it's still in my top 5. But unfortunately the quality of the series and my appreciation of Martin (as a writer) has dropped considerably. And to be honest, as we now have a show on top of all the other things he is doing (Con here, signing there, wildcard novel there, coop with other authors over here...he's doing everything just to not-have-to-write SoIaF), i am not sure we will see book 6 anytime soon (even if he says progress goes well...i just don't have any trust in him anymore).

Not sure if i want that...that is where Martin-ian madness lies aka 6 years for half a book. Martin hops from con to con not doing anything else it seems...especially not writing his damn SoIaF. We don't want to risk Scott discovering the easy life 

You mean like going over there and babysit his kid for free so that he can concentrate on writing? 

Kellais, I've enjoyed your perspective immensely, insofar as you've shared. Cheers - glad you decided to add your writ to our proceedings.

Hey, just see this now...thanks, Madness  I'm glad my ramblings are understandable stuff 

@ Callan S.

Very true about the just-world fallacy and the real world...a kind of a "ouch"-moment 

And how is the red wedding, even from Rob's POV ever an epic moment...those people have a extremely different brain-wiring to my own. I hope you'll tease them with a new thread on the topic...i would really like to see that 

Cool! Thanks guys for participating. Awesome ideas, all!

So you guys seem to think that it is the in-world functions that we should consider...but you do seem to think that the JE and also the visions of Psatma are, in that sense, real?! So it's not something as simple as Mimara being crazy or that the consult is playing games with Psatma. Hmm...interesting. I was really considering Scott just messing with us ... you know, kind of out-of-world messing with us as the author. From an in world perspective he lets us see stuff that makes sense in the context of the world he paints, but behind the scenes he is kind of teasing us with his theories about the consciousness and brain functions and all that.

On the other hand, i guess Somnambulist's theories kind of account for that...at least a bit.

But i think the basic idea is cool...so she can, with the power of her mind/imagination force reality...that's severe shit 
Question is, though, is it real for everyone after she imposes it on the world? Or is this more in line of the philosophical line of thinking of "everything is just a dream" or "everyone only perceives his/her own "reality" and it is 100% subjective" aka "no two "realities" are the same" . Ouch...my head hurts 

Oh and Madness, care to elaborate on that title remark? Is that a thing on this forum? 

Hi everyone,

So after signing up here i had to urge to start rereading TJE....let us see how long i can keep it up (have a lot of enticing looking books on my "to read" pile  ).

Here some first thoughts and questions - or to put it another way, let me know what you think about this stuff:

- Mimara's judging eye...first appearance when she looks at Akka during their first long talk at the fire before his tower. Now, i was wondering (and maybe there already is a thread somewhere where you discussed that indepth, but i didn't see a thread-title so here it is (again?) ) ... do you think this really is something we, as readers, have to take at face value? In other words : she really has a judging eye...so Akka is really damned etc etc . What else could it be? After her musings on how Akka and herself have suffered a lot in this life, and Akka more or less confessing that he is most probably mad...what if Mimara is just...well, mad? Maybe she hallucinates that stuff. Any theories and ideas on this? It just got me thinking...maybe i'm paranoid but i can't belief that it is what is says on the tin, so to speak  Or is that precisely what Scott wants us to think and therefor this is exactly how it is... ?! Now you see where this is going right...you could start thinking in circles like that and do that ad infinitum and ad absurdum ... so, let me have it.

- This goes a bit in the same direction but i hope you keep reading  The vision of Psatma Nannaferi at the beginning of the book...where she thinks the goddess herself visits her...do you guys think that this is for real? I mean are the gods in Scott's world real? If they are, do you think they interfere that directly? If not, what is happening here? Is the old priestess just nuts? Or are there darker schemes at work. I could totally see the consult behind this...trying everything to oppose Kellhus, even if they have to play a ruse like this instead of killing him directly.

These two scenes just made me very curious as to how much the reader can take at face value in this trilogy and how much it is the author trying to mislead us. On the one hand i find this very stimulating, on the other it can also be very frustrating  My mind just does not stop thinking about the many possibilities that could be...i'm almost doing a thousandfold thought here 

Anyway, i hope this gives us something to talk about. I'm kind of new here but i was a-little-bit-active on the old three seas forums a long time ago. I'm trying to get back in the saddle 
Maybe this kicks off other discussions on the topic of Bakker's Earwa-work which i think are a bit slow atm.