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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: The Harbinger
« on: February 07, 2015, 12:47:27 pm »
I believe Kellhus needed to almost die several times to become the Harbinger, to go beyond his Dunyain training.  He asks if what he is feeling is love when hanging against Serwe from Umiaki.  Moenghus explains later to Kellhus that the 'wilderness' broke him, I believe a necessary condition for the Harbinger.  Like Fane almost dying in the desert before becoming the prophet.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: The Harbinger
« on: February 07, 2015, 05:59:42 am »
I believe it is possible that the founders of the Dunyain lied (we know they did about sorcery, which they must have initially known of) to their later followers about specific things in order to 'prepare the ground' for the coming of Anasurimbor Kellhus, including exiling Moenghus for reasons that were never even mentioned.  And honestly, you believe Kellhus was 'unprepared'?  Even if he was the path he took was not - Moenghus contrived the holy war with his world-born son Maithanet simply to deliver Kellhus to Shimeh.

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General Earwa / Re: Fane Was Right, and he is the prophet
« on: February 07, 2015, 05:50:41 am »
I'm not sure about not trusting Moenghus, as he is talking to a fellow Dunyain whom he has summoned himself.  That scene between them is the culmination of everything in the PoN series and I believe both Moenghus and Kellhus are being honest with each other.  Its everyone else they seek to manipulate.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Education
« on: February 04, 2015, 10:22:59 am »
The way our system of education is set up its no wonder kids come out of school without motivation.  Instead of nurturing our native curiosity as children, cultivating our ability to think independently and collectively through open group discussions, the majority of modern educational systems force feeds 'answers' that we are expected to memorize.  Having our earnest questions repeatedly dismissed as children leaves us rather cautious as teenagers and downright hostile with suspicion as adults.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: You have just become God. What will you do?
« on: February 04, 2015, 10:11:57 am »
First guess is that my newfound access to omniscience would dictate my actions, if any.  And if I was a merciful God I'd probably apologize to the human race and abdicate the celestial throne although accessing omniscience might change my mind.  It seems unbelievably cruel to interfere with mankind as an omnipotent being at this point in time.  Its a safe bet that omniscience would instill a deep sense of indifference to the universe, as you'd already know everything that's going to happen. 

Guess I'd be pretty much like God is now, or not God at all.


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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: The Harbinger
« on: February 04, 2015, 07:28:25 am »
The Celmomian Prophecy (Hmmm what a strange coincidence that it involves Kelmomas' name sake, remember the different spelling is just due to transliteration) says that "An Anasurimbor will return at the End of the World". However, as is pointed out by Esmenet in the Warrior Prophet when Achamian first tells her of Kellhus...if Kellhus truly is an Anasurimbor, then there has always been an Anasurimbor in the world. That's not a return of any kind.

So I'd have to disagree with the contention that Kellhus' appearance is made irrelevant by Moenghus.  Kellhus came into the crusade for Shimeh using his original name and telling everyone he was a prince.  Moenghus by contrast seems to have made little to no impression as an Anasûrimbor.

Also Kellhus has been much more prepared as well as having had the holy war set up for his benefit (he walked a large tract of 'prepared ground' toward Shimeh), and this confluence of events suggests to me that he is the harbinger of the Kelmomian prophecy.

And maybe the Dunyain are merely the keepers of that prophecy, a group which conditioned itself specifically to produce Kellhus Anasûrimbor and the circumstances of his Ordeal.

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Kellhus: good or evil?
« on: February 04, 2015, 07:11:02 am »
I happened across this topic right after posting something very similar in another thread.  Basically, I believe Kellhus believes he is the harbinger of the Kelmomian prophecy, which calls into question the Dunyain themselves (why did Moenghus leave? Why did they teach sorcery to be a lie?).  Much more importantly I believe that Kellhus is correct in his beliefs, that he is a Prophet who has come to bring about the ending of the Consult. 

But it is entirely possible that I'm wrong.

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General Earwa / Re: The Dûnyain
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:50:51 am »
How about the Dunyain are keepers of the Kelmomian prophecy?  Set us to ensure both the survival of the Anasaurimbor line and that the harbinger of the Second Apocalypse would be capable in every way possible.  This brings up an interesting question: why was Moenghus exiled to begin with??

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: What will Mimera's judging eye.........
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:22:55 am »
I believe the Kelmomian prophecies are real and that Kellhus is the Anasaurimbor who has come to forestall or conclusively end the Second Apocalypse, meaning that I believe he is not damned.  If Titirga had found a way to mute the stain, Kellhus has likely found a way to remove it altogether.  If Kellhus, this late into the Great Ordeal, is shown by the Judging Eye to be completely damned, then theres a good chance humanity is too.  The thing is that I believe the Dunyain in Kellhus has accepted this truth as well, leading Moenghus to consider him mad.  I believe the halos about his hands actually are real symbols of his divinity. Either that or hes accepted his damnation as a worthwhile price for saving the species - another contradiction to his Dunyain sensibilities.

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General Earwa / Re: Fane Was Right, and he is the prophet
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:03:09 am »
I'm not so certain the thousand temples has to be wrong for Fane to be right, just because they are two religions at war.  The fact that the Tusk outlaws sorcery (an Inchoroi plot?) and that sorcerers with no mark make up the priesthood of the Cishaurim suggests that the Cishaurim are actually not sorcerers at all.  It seems to me that the realization of the solitary god is not so different from how the nonmen escape damnation (worshiping oblivion or 'the spaces between the gods'), as worshiping the sum total of all the thousand temples gods (who are 'aspects' of the one god at war with himself through us and thereby preventing aforementioned realization) you can safely assume this means worshiping 'beyond' the Gods - an attempt to grasp the underlying foundation of all reality - and perhaps this is what drives the Psukhe, nothing less than a foundational meaning for existence.

Also I don't think Fane was Dunyain - it contradicts what Moenghus told Kellhus about the Psukhe.

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General Earwa / Re: TSA related art and stuff. (IV)
« on: February 03, 2015, 02:02:19 am »
Beeeaaaaaassssseee!!!

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The White-Luck Warrior / Re: Meppa is X (II)
« on: February 01, 2015, 11:08:26 pm »
I do believe that adults have a harder time grasping new languages.  Their minds are cluttered with much more, and their brains are less plastic.  Evolutionarily speaking it makes a lot of sense for children to be better at learning in general, as they have everything to learn.

I'm not certain Meppa is someone from the past that we knew, or maybe a lesser figure that only now plays prominent.  His assumed amnesia certainly suggests he is a familiar, but who?  My first guesses are almost certainly wrong - Moenghus, Cnaiur, Xinemus - all dead with little ambiguity, except for Cnaiur who was decked out in scars.

My money is on Meppa being either new or an old lesser character.

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General Earwa / Re: How would Cishaurim train themsevles?
« on: February 01, 2015, 10:58:25 pm »
My guess is that the Solitary God is the sum total of all that exists.  Kellhus mentions to the nonman in TWLW that he ventured into the Outside and saw something like God broken into a million warring pieces.  It also makes sense that he would be called the Solitary God, as definitively nothing is beyond him.  The same way that nonmen worship the spaces between the gods or oblivion, the Cishaurim worship the spaces AND the fragments, the whole thing, which really makes it sound like the Thousand Temples gods are ciphrang, hungers from the Outside.

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General Earwa / Re: How would Cishaurim train themsevles?
« on: February 01, 2015, 09:57:35 am »
What strikes me as important about the Cishaurim is the fact that they have found a way to use sorcery without the mark.  Keeping in mind what we learned in the Judging Eye this is nothing short of a miracle.  I believe that they are of the Few, although this is just speculation, as if they weren't I'm not sure what would keep their numbers so low. 

Meppa is even more of an enigma than the Cishaurim themselves, as even he doesn't seem to remember who he is.  I feel like there is a lot of potential for fan fic with the Cishaurim given a little creative availability.

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General Earwa / Re: The Madness Experiment
« on: January 24, 2015, 10:50:55 am »
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I think Kellhus went mad on the circumfix - up until that point he was becoming increasingly emotionally responsive and I think the circumfix tipped him over the edge. I think a Dunyain with emotional response is insane by Dunyain standards already but maybe not by our standards.

Seeing as how the Dunyain do not believe in either sorcery or prophecy (both of which exist) it could be that Earwa is simply insane.  On the circumfix I always thought Kellhus learned to love, and it was this love that lead him to decide to try and save the world (if that's indeed what he's doing).  Wouldn't we seem mad if we too believed in damnation and went around screaming it to people, and as far as I remember Moenghus doesn't seem to understand his own damnation.

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