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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« on: August 06, 2020, 04:51:16 pm »
So, what is being said there?  How does it relate to the Nonman conception of the 100?

Well, the Nonman "gods" are the First Principles.  How do we explain, say, someone's behavior of deception?  By the First Principle of Ajokli, deception itself.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Esmenet the Angelic Ciphrang
« on: August 06, 2020, 04:40:22 pm »
Also, this is likely why the Nonmen consider the 100 as "Principles."  Because they are exactly that, conceptual "beings" (in more psychoanalytic terms, akin to Jung use, a "complex") of consciousness (self-consciousness).  They are anthropomorphic only because that is how consciousness (self-consciousness) experiences and describes them, a sort of narrative contrivance, externalized as a sort of psychological projection.

I want to follow this up a little bit with something I just came across in regard to "principles" and the 100.  I think it is a sort of Aristotelian concept here.


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General Earwa / Re: Mimara's abilities and status as a prophet
« on: July 23, 2020, 03:24:42 pm »
This makes Mim a bit of an inversion of the JE and its criteria. Where pregnant women get the JE and have stillbirths, Mim is an intended abortion that possesses the JE. Or at least that was my impression when i read the above statement and tried to resolve the paradox of Mim possessing the JE all her life.

Well, in my current Hegelian paradigm, I tend to think of this mainly in terms of the sort of "reconciliation" the seems to run all through TAE.  Namely the notion of how the Eternal (the unchanging in Hegelian terms) could or would intersect with the temporal (the individual).

I don't know that there is a resolution to that paradox though, really.  The fact seemingly just is, more so, something self-consciousness has to sublate (overcome) and possibly that is part of the Dasein spirit (in essence, what it means to have a soul).  Or maybe that is the whole thing really.

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: July 22, 2020, 03:49:06 pm »
I stumbled on this, not sure if it might help solve the issue: https://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=567764.0

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General Earwa / Re: What is the Eärwan Soul?
« on: July 22, 2020, 02:41:36 pm »
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The first unchangeable is to consciousness only the alien essence condemning singularity; since the second unchangeable is a shape of singularity as consciousness itself is, consciousness, thirdly, comes to be spirit, it has the joy of finding itself in it, and becomes conscious that its singularity is reconciled with the universal.

Hegel - The Phenomenology of Spirit

Section 210 on, in the Phenomenology is really quite relevant to all of TAE though, because it talks about the "reconciliation" of the Particular (Subject) with the Universal (Eternal) though.

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Literature / Re: Yearly Reading Targets 2020
« on: July 21, 2020, 05:05:44 pm »
The Road by Cormic McCarthy
Not a fan of this bloke. Hated Blood Meridian, thought I'd give Road a go, and stopped about 15% in. Just not for me.

 :'(

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: July 14, 2020, 09:16:42 pm »
There have been posting errors for me. :(
Brief posts are OK.  If you have a long post, or one with a lot of markup (tags, urls) you will have to break it up into multiple posts for now, unfortunately.

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The Unholy Consult / Re: [TUC Spoilers] Inchoroi souls
« on: July 03, 2020, 10:12:10 am »
Maybe this has been raised elsewhere, but what happened to the progenitors?

Do we know? Were they riding along in the Ark and died during the fall?

Were they already dead when the mad quest for salvation started?

Is there another thread on this issue? I tried to search the word progenitor but I got to hits.

Unfortunately we must keep the posts brief at the moment, but the short answer, I think, is no, we don't know what happened to them.

Personally, I think they were on board Ark, because it just makes more sense to me.  One, it can be a call to something like Noah's Arc, and two, if Ark succeeded, what good would that do the Progenitors on the other side of the galaxy?  I don't buy the notion, personally, of a Universal Outside, even though I do think an Outside is Universal.

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: July 02, 2020, 04:28:52 pm »
There seems to also be a content limit on posts, much to my dismay...

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: June 30, 2020, 04:28:05 pm »
Also, the Chat/Egora thing seems to have some sort of arbitrary entry limit, that I can't quite discern exactly.

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: June 30, 2020, 12:54:00 pm »
EDIT: Hmm, seems there is a sort of odd "bug" with quotation marks (" and ") and some characters like (the u with an umlat, alt+251), for instance, I had to change my signature to remove both.  Also, in the title of this thread: https://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=3018.msg49031#new

They show up fine in a preview, but won't let the message be posted.

Let me try a different character.  (Seems none of those would work...)

Also, if you try to edit a post, the "double post protection" stops you, which isn't a big deal, but is a little odd.

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: June 30, 2020, 12:38:28 pm »
Excellent, site seems vastly more responsive and quicker!  Thanks again!

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@Khaine

Save for some nitpicking, this is pretty much my line of thinking.

One important thing to note is the fact that unarcane ground does, in fact, exist in Earwa, and the No-God famously avoided it.

I think we can actually sort of rectify this with the notion of Ark not working in Arcane situations.  First, I think we just clarify that it is unlikely that Ark completely stopped functioning.  I tend to think of it more as the AI (or, not so A I) that constituted Ark did not work under the Arcane conditions.  That is, the "circuits" did not function.

So, when Ark crashes, many of Ark's various parts still function, there is simply no more intentionality, because the directive element (possibly the No-God apparatus itself) did not function.  So, once "bootstrapped" with the Consult with an Earwa-compatible substitute "circuit" the opposite problem becomes the issue, an aversion to the Anarcane. In other words, it simply cannot function outside the particular circumstance of it's genesis, perhaps.

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News/Announcements / Re: Scheduled Downtime
« on: June 26, 2020, 10:33:37 am »
During this time, the forum will probably be on- and offline intermittently until the maintenance is complete. Let me know if there are any issues with that time window.

Sovin

I don't foresee any issues with the time, thanks for letting us know, we appreciate your work!

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General Misc. / Re: Quotes
« on: June 18, 2020, 12:53:44 pm »
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"Let me tell it to you like this; inside one's head there is a brain. Now that brain is blind, deaf, and dumb. It can only go about animalistic procedures, and it has no real knowledge of what it feels like. For an illustration let us say that the very high entity so-and-so wanted to experience what it was like to be burned. Well, in his own body he would not be able to get down to the rough, crude vibrations necessary for one to feel the burn, but in this lower entity body—yes, burns can be felt, so the super-entity enters the substitute body and then the necessary conditions occur and perhaps the super-entity can get to know what it is like through the experience of its substitute. The body can see, the brain cannot.”
- Tibetan Sage

Nice, to me, these are notions of "extended mind" and "embodied consciousness," which I think I am with.  But I always fail going full panpsychist though.

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