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Philosophy & Science / Re: The "Intellectual Bitterness" Thread
« on: February 23, 2014, 05:25:46 pm »
By "our", I mean political scene in one not-very-small central European country. Which is quite unlike American or British one.

Ah, gotcha - thanks for the reply!

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Philosophy & Science / Re: The "Intellectual Bitterness" Thread
« on: February 23, 2014, 01:11:36 am »
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True, our politicial scene sucks,

There's a political scene for nerds? Or do you mean in general politics is rife with logical fallacies and inattention to data?

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 21, 2014, 05:07:14 pm »
Lol, sometimes I feel like this guy is this forum ;).

Which I obviously enjoy tremendously.

Heh, no worries, there might be people who read hear about this stuff and come to believe they psychically heal themselves. Good for them to be grounded.

I just think some cases that comes up are Ripley's material.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 20, 2014, 04:50:33 pm »
Well, to be honest I just thought it was one of those weird things. (As a child I grew up on copious amounts of Ripley's literature  ;D)

The Wright case in particular caught my ear.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 19, 2014, 07:54:57 pm »
@Alia:

Sorry, missed your earlier reply in the above to Madness. Yeah, I saw a PDF from USCD's Pharma Dept dealing with an overview of the placebo effect including the opioid stuff.

Haven't had a chance to look at it, but at least there does seem to be some explanation for that particular case.

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Non-locality & Entanglement:

Wikipage

An excerpt from Peat on Bohm has a good overview of history. -> EPR paradox, Aspect's experiment.

So the perhaps obvious question is can you use this send messages at superluminal speeds? Kaku explains why this likely isn't possible.

Of course,

And on the weird[er] side you can have entanglement between particles that don't exist at the same time.

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I stop by every once in awhile and read if something tickles. But I don't actively promote the whole thing as I used to.

And to be clear, I think that Pinchbeck is fucking genius for having affected the Evolver spores. An invaluable tool of real-world dissemination.

Will have to check out the Evolver side of this. Reality Sandwich is great, but I think the mix of grounded concerns might be better separated from the spiritual stuff. Which is not to deny expression of the latter, but I think the piece on psychedelic fiction could've been written without insisting the deities residing in the hologram or whatever are real.

Sometimes the articles read like the person writing them was high while typing.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 19, 2014, 04:34:08 pm »
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I don't think she's talking about the placebo effect and I think the presentation of her talk is extremely dangerous. I think it is irresponsible to qualify all that content as "placebo effect." She basically suggested that all social psychology can be explained by "the placebo effect."

You're gonna have to fill me in on social psychology vs placebo effect.

I do think she goes overboard with how efficacious the effect could be, but I wasn't really considering her advice.

It was the initial cases that I thought were interesting. The Wright case, and the fake Rogaine growing hair for example. And on the nocebo side the three little girls.

eta:

More research on the effect, this time in the case of Parkinson's.

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"What we found is that in somebody with Parkinson's disease, a placebo can release as much dopamine as amphetamine or speed can in somebody with a healthy dopamine system. So it's a very dramatic response."

That dramatic response only appears to last for a short while - a placebo certainly isn't a miracle cure.

And even if it was, doctors could hardly start lying to their patients and replacing real drugs with placebo pills.

It's also unclear exactly how a placebo is able to spur the brain into producing more dopamine, given that Parkinson's is caused by an apparent inability of the brain to produce enough.

But what is certainly clear is that the dopamine isn't coming from the placebo pill itself: there's nothing in it. The dopamine is coming from our brains.

And that goes to the heart of how a placebo works. There's now a strong body of evidence that a dummy pill can activate the brain's natural ability to produce the chemicals that we need.

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I think both sides have interesting arguments. Maybe on some level Tegmark's Ultimate Ensemble comes down to the "Universe as Quantum Computer" jazz.

I haven't made up my mind yet, as the more serious philosophy dealing with this question is out of my intellectual grasp for now.


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Philosophy & Science / Re: Education
« on: February 18, 2014, 09:55:41 pm »
Make therapy an acceptable thing for children and adults.

Teach yoga and meditation.

Teach critical thinking, cover the logical fallacies early.

And in honor of John Holt, learn the three things he thought everyone should learn - How to say "I don't Know", "I was Wrong" and "I'm Sorry".

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 18, 2014, 05:49:20 pm »
Don't worry about being a skeptic - I don't think anyone here thinks we're going to develop magical superpowers. But even grounding ourselves against extrapolating to extremes I think it's interesting the extent to which the mind can affect the body.

Take this case from the New Scientist, which listed the Placebo Effect as one of science's unsolved mysteries:

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Don't try this at home. Several times a day, for several days, you induce pain in someone. You control the pain with morphine until the final day of the experiment, when you replace the morphine with saline solution. Guess what? The saline takes the pain away.

This is the placebo effect: somehow, sometimes, a whole lot of nothing can be very powerful. Except it's not quite nothing. When Fabrizio Benedetti of the University of Turin in Italy carried out the above experiment, he added a final twist by adding naloxone, a drug that blocks the effects of morphine, to the saline. The shocking result? The pain-relieving power of saline solution disappeared.

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I'm not one to really support Reality Sandwich anymore but...

Beyond the Machine Elves: On DMT Culture, Visionary Plants and Entheodelic Storytelling

Thanks for that Madness. Out of curiosity did you just drift away from Reality Sandwich or did it get too far out for you?

I like some of the articles, even the metaphysical ones, but sometimes it's all speculation without grounding. And while I enjoy the concept behind Gnosticism the conspiracy theory aspect of it gets a bit weird over there.

All that said, I'm reading The Second Psychedelic Revolution Part One: The End of Acid.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 18, 2014, 02:56:57 pm »
In the video Rankin says tumors were healed, children died, and people who thought they had been given Rogaine grew hair.

Now I don't think all this stuff is going to happen to everyone magically, but those are weird cases AFAICTell.  ???

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Philosophy & Science / Placebos and Nocebos?
« on: February 18, 2014, 01:28:26 am »

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But did the concept of a perfect circle* come about due to this attempt at taking a polygon's number of sides to infinity? It seems to me the concepts of circle and polygon were thought up separately and then connected?

I'm not sure I understand why the choice of Axioms affects the consideration of math being invented or discovered?

In any case, Massimo lays out a more formal argument for the existence of Platonic Math here.

It's worth a read for curiosity's sake.

*Love the band by the way

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