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@Callan:

If I'm understanding you right, is causality an illusion as each page of the flipbook is independent of the others?

So then what we see as causality is just convenient...fine tuning?  :o

  ;)

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Thanks, Sci.

This was the Article (True Detective is Changing) I mentioned before - EP5 Spoilers.

Interesting takes, though some of it feels a bit off. I get the complaint about the show seemingly changing directions from calm character study to more action oriented procedural, though I don't share it. Also, I think the actual events of the episode belie that criticism...at least to some extent.

On female characters - this criticism I can better accept. I do think it's unfair to label Hart's daughter as a temptress figure. People who are sexually abused can have complicated relationships with sex. I recall an ex saying she'd previously associated sex with self-degradation. There is a challenge in noting in trying to explore this issue while advocating for sex positive stances but I accept not everything can be done in the limited space....though maybe my lack of concern is a sign of male privilege?

On the evil evangelical possibility - I've seen this complaint about evangelicals playing with devil worship or whatever, and it grates on me.

The King in Yellow is not a demon serving Lucifer, and to think like that is - IMO - reducing the scope of possible metaphysics to a needlessly Christian-centric worldview.

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I read some things that were talking about the show's pressing against the fourth wall. Sci, what's the link?

Sorry, meant to link it when I had a moment. Here it is.

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I love the introduction of Cohle the Trickster.

Part of that is him maybe over-doing his nihilist act for the two black detectives, but I also think Cohle might be seen as a liminal figure striding between nihilism and conviction.

(Which I'd say makes him one of the Second Apocalypse gang. ;D)

On Westeros Trisk posted a great article that Cohle has walked up to the Fourth Wall and waved without breaking through. Another example of him being a liminal being.

And of course he's an outlaw in the pursuit of Justice.

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You know cartoon flip books. How on each page the character is static, yet when you flip through them it moves?

That's how a universe can both move and be still at the same time.

But the thing is that flip book has to exist all at once as 3-D block, where the 2-D pages are really slices. Why would [you] expect to find a flip book in the block?

I don't think there's an easy way to get around the weirdness of static vs non-static being dependent on external or internal observation.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Roland Barthes on Aesthetic Experience
« on: February 16, 2014, 02:13:00 am »
Roland Barthes and the conception of aesthetic experience

I don't pretend to have read copious amounts of Barthes, but I do enjoy his work and recommend the book Mythologies whole heartedly...sadly I need to procure a new copy for myself....At least the essay about theatrical wrestling is online.

Anywho, I'm making a thread because I came across a reference to Barthes' "Obtuse Meaning" in a textual discussion of shamanism.

I gave the paper above a first pass, and will need to read Barthes' original essay on The Third Meaning.

I thought Barthes' work might prove to be of interest as hidden within it I feel like there is an any interesting & impassioned argument about consciousness.

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Stanley Krippner [with Christopher Ryan] on Joe Rogan Experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_k_AM2aljg

Great dialogue on a variety of topics. Shamans and medicine plants, environmentalism, psychic powers, history of drug culture and some other interesting stuff. :)

One thing that impressed me was that Krippner managed to stop having claims of dream telepathy be a case for mental disorder.

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The Forum of Interesting Things / Re: Bakker on Twitter
« on: February 15, 2014, 10:40:36 pm »
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Okay, to explain that since I'm never like understandable apparently

Actually Callan you've had some seriously impressive posts in the last few weeks. I admit to not always getting your thought processes but you've had some insights that've definitely hit me.

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How does the article deal with the emergence of living organisms (which would "cause" time to emerge, according to them) on the planet? I'm pretty sure the universe wasn't in a constant stasis before the earliest forms of life came around. (And how would they evolve, in an universe where time stands still and nothing happens?)

This is the thing that bothers me. It just seems weird that life is so dependent on the past influencing present relationship.

If time is illusory to the outside observer, then it's like the universe came into being all at once. But why would such a 4-D(+?) universe have 3-D slices which follow each other coherently?

It's like a 2-D universe, with each moment of time stacked on the last to get a 3-D object. But if a 3-D block appears all at once, why would anyone expect horizontal slices to create cohesive a 2-D animation?

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Is the Brain a Digital Computer?
« on: February 15, 2014, 07:58:46 am »
Jaron Lanier, computer scientist & artist, author of You are Not a Gadget, argues against consciousness being reducible to computation.

He also has an essay, Death: The Skeleton Key of Consciousness Studies?

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Here's an intro into this idea from Sir Roger Penrose, who posits three worlds that I understand to originally belong to Popper.

While Plato's World o' Forms feels like it belongs more to D&D than conceptions of reality, the idea of Mathematical Platonism did find a sympathetic naturalist ear belonging to Massimo Pigliucci.

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There is a difference between general Platonism and the mathematical flavor. For Plato, each apple, say, is but an imperfect example of the absolute (and perfect) Idea of an apple. But as Aristotle quickly realized, Plato has it exactly backwards: we arrive at the general idea of ‘apple’ by mentally abstracting a set of characteristics we think common to all actual apples. It is we who conjure the ‘perfect’ idea from the world, not the world copying the concept.

But now contrast the idea of an apple with the idea of a circle. Here Aristotle’s approach becomes more problematic, as we don’t find any true circles in nature. No natural object has the precise geometric characteristics of a circle, and in a very strong sense we can also say that the circles we draw are but imperfect representations of the perfect idea of a circle. Ah – but whence does such a perfect idea come from?

Consider another way to put the problem. One major difference between science and technology is that science discovers things, while technology is about human inventions . We discover the law of gravity; but we invent airplanes to allow heavier-than-air flight despite the law of gravity. But where do mathematical objects, like circles and numbers, or mathematical theorems like the Pythagorean one, or Fermat’s Last one, come from? Are they inventions of the human mind, or are they discoveries?

I hope you’re beginning to feel as queasy as I did when I started to take the matter seriously, because contrary to Aristotle’s approach to knowledge, my gut feeling was that mathematicians discover things, not invent them. This was a huge paradigm shift from my days as a scientist.

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Wow, you must write it down if you are going to monitor, and share it with us if that is ok with him/her. I would love to try that myself sometime.

Definitely. I'm not sure if I'll be allowed to monitor, especially at the beginning b/c dude wants to focus on a personal sigil then take the DMT at the moment of orgasm.  ???

I don't think he'll mind sharing the experience anonymously with more people, as he plans to make a site about the various issues and experiences relating to varied drugs. All of it will be anecdotal, but I also know a woman who works with NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws) who is gathering accounts about how weed helped people. I personally know of people who found weed assisted to a greater/lesser extent in managing eating disorders.

Also, here's an article with Rick Strassman about DMT. He actually contributed a chapter to Inner/Outer space about preparing for a psychedelic trip to get the most out of it.


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Waiting for this Dream Telepathy book, in the mean time what's up with those Hessdalen Lights?

"In spite of ongoing research there is no convincing explanation of the origin of these lights. However, there are numerous working hypotheses."

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There is just no end to the lunacy is there?

Tell me this was intentional, as it's just so delicious to see that word when talking about moon colonization. ;D

Yeah, my hatred of corporations is making me think we need to pump government funds into making sure the U.N. claims the moon as an international venture.

Also, going back to Pinchbeck's Breaking Open the Head. Have a friend who's going to try to use successive hits of DMT to get to those alien landscapes and I need to get him to let me monitor.

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Philosophy & Science / Re: Eternal Recurrence
« on: February 14, 2014, 05:42:41 pm »
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Maybe i'm just too dumb for this forum after all.

I doubt that very much. Just as an observation -> To even try and engage with these topics requires a certain mental fortitude and ability.

It's not even arrogant, just the way things are. Most minds will retreat from this kind of dialogue.

And then there are bastards like me who just jump in. (I've never read Nieztche...shhhhhhhhhhh!  ;) )

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