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General Earwa / Re: Earwan Jokes
« on: April 25, 2017, 02:01:43 am »
MG, I just saw Eyewa. Redeagl is a fucking genius.

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The Great Ordeal / Re: [TGO Spoilers] Kellhus
« on: April 24, 2017, 04:26:35 pm »
I think you're on the right track, MSJ.

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My general tastes? Classical/baroque periods, Stravinsky, Chopin. Almost no modern classical. Prog rock, jazz fusion, singer-songwriters (Dan Fogelberg, Joni Mitchell), folk, bluegrass, Miles Davis, Keith Jarrett. Animals As Leaders, the current incarnation of King Crimson, Rush (especially late-period, such as Clockwork Angels,  Counterparts), mid-70s Yes, mid-70s Genesis.

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On a sombre note, Allan Holdsworth passed away last weekend at age 70. He was certainly one of the finest electric guitar soloists of his time. He was a master of modern harmonic theory, and his extended, fluid and discursive solos often remind me of those excellent tracking shots that only skilled film directors can accomplish. And his pellucid, warbly "singing" tone.....no words. As a youngster, Allan wanted to learn to play a wind instrument, because he was captivated by the expressive quality of saxophones and flutes.

Here's a link to a live performance from 1986. Allan was at the peak of his powers, the band is great, and the recording is good. RIP, Allan.

https://youtu.be/2TzfgjHDSRU



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H. recommended two acoustic indie/folk artists yesterday. The late Jason Molina and Joanna Newsom. Check them out.

Indeed, two stellar artists.

Not sure if you know of Iron & Wine, but he is also fantastic (at least the older stuff is, kind of lost track now).
Don't know about Iron & Wine, but I sure dig Sippin' Wine!
<ba dum tish>

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H. recommended two acoustic indie/folk artists yesterday. The late Jason Molina and Joanna Newsom. Check them out.

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General Earwa / Re: Nonmen Mansion Ventilation
« on: April 20, 2017, 09:09:44 pm »
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away (i.e. the ancient Three Seas Board), I asked Bakker about the practicality of supplying all of the Fanim's horses in the desert.  Water would be a huge issue, let alone the fodder necessary.  He pointed me to a fantastic little book called Alexander the Great and the Logistics of the Macedonian Army, but ultimately he said he takes a "mana from heaven" approach.  I think a bit of the same would be applicable here too.

That's probably the correct answer - "they can breathe fine because huge mountain cities are badass!" Nothing wrong with a few judicious applications of the Rule of Cool. Still fun to hypothesize, though!
Since you just finished TJE, you may remember the early chapter which describes the logistical difficulties of even creating the Great Ordeal. IIRC, Kellhus needed ten years to build enough granaries, etc. for the Great Ordeal to even get started.  And Sakarpus is a critical launch point, which adds to Sorweel's importance. It's a great section.

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General Earwa / Re: Nonmen Mansion Ventilation
« on: April 20, 2017, 07:01:23 pm »
Damn, that's a good question!

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Introduce Yourself / Re: Never Mind the Fanim, Here's the Sex Demons
« on: April 20, 2017, 06:57:10 pm »
Outstanding! Welcome from a fellow newbie. Grab a thread and have at it!

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To return this to the issue of witness:

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I tell you, guilt dwells nowhere but in the eyes of the accuser. This men know even as they deny it, which is why they so often make murder their absolution. The truth of crime lies not with the victim but with the witness.
—HATATIAN, EXHORTATIONS

Chapter 2 of TTT, epigraph.

While I haven't fully worked it out, I think a key to understanding the importance of the Judging Eye and so Mimara, is that the Eye is the perennial witness.  What the ultimately means though, I'm not too sure.

Going back to Kellhus' Imprompta sermon counseling the knight, Kellhus declares, "Witness is seeing that testifies, that judges so it may be judged." I'm guessing that the Judging Eye will be the Great Clarifier of matters in TUC.

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Right. But, does that make Kellhus right? He's been wrong before and Locke has made threads about it. So, I'm always skeptical that just because Kellhus thinks it, it becomes the Truth.

ETA: Hell, in TGO he even admits that killing Moe was a mistake. If he thinks it's a mistake after the fact, I think he realizes that Moe wasn't going to kill him.
IIRC, in the Moe/Kell stand-off, Kellhus saw that one future possibility included his assassination. So I think that, though it's possible that Moe wasn't going to off Kellhus right then and there, Kellhus saw that his Shortest Path required him to off Moe.

I agree that Kellhus is always Conditioning the Ground, and so taking his statements as necessarily true would be a mistake. However, he is certainly capable of Conditioning The Ground by using Truth. Very perplexing. Kellhus is probably one of the greatest unreliable POVs ever created. As I put it in my stand-up routine (cf. the "Earwan Jokes" thread), Kellhus is an arrogant bastard, an utterly devious prick, and a master bullshitter.

(How 'bout that for shameless self-promotion?)

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Moe wanted Kellhus to be broken by the Circumfix for this very reason. It seems to have helped Koringhus.
I never got the impression that Moe wanted Kellhus to arrive at Kiduya broken. I thought Moe was ready to shit-can Kellhus , but to Moe's surprise, Kellhus became "more"

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I think this question ties into the matter at hand (if not, please feel free to start a new thread, Wilshire 😊): What does "madness" mean in Bakker's Earwa? This has been gnawing at me since TTT. If Kellhus is "mad", then what are we to make of his insights? Now, his Imprompta sermons are given before the experience of the Circumfix, so he is presumably sane. In TTT, Moenghus considers Kellhus "mad". Similarly, Koringhus is described as "broken" and "mad". What is the status of his revelation? It seems to me that "madness" is a desirable condition in this Earwan context. Thoughts?

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Bingo, H. There's also a conversation between Akka and Kellhus in which K. confuses Akka over where "here" is. But you've nailed it.

Ironically enough, Chapter 10 of TTT:

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“Person? It would be more precise to say we’re the same here … But in a manner, yes. Just as there’s but one Here, there’s but one Soul, Akka, breaching the world in many different places. And almost always failing to apprehend itself as itself.”

Wouldn't it be some shit though if this was literally true:
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“Indeed. Your body is your surface, nothing more, the point where your soul breaches this world. Even now, as we look upon each other from across this span, from two different places, we also stand in the same place, the same nowhere. I watch myself through your eyes, and you watch yourself through mine—though you know it not.”

As in, Kellhus can literally see through other's eyes?  That is why he often seems to infallible...but probably not really.
That's the convo I was thinking of, thanks. It also brings to mind, as you mentioned, the Koringhus revelation. "Pick a point....any point"

So the question (as always) is: Is Kellhus telling Achamian the Truth? Or is Kellhus conditioning Achamian? Or both? 

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“I’m not asking you to see,” Kellhus said. “I’m asking you to witness.”
Blank face. Desolate eyes. The nameless knight blinked, and two tears silvered his cheek. Then he smiled, and nothing, it seemed, could be so glorious.
“To make myself …” His voice quavered, broke. “To m-make …”
“To be one with the world in which you dwell,” Kellhus said. “To make a covenant of your life.”

Is it just me, or is there something of a unity concept here, along the lines of Koringhus' Zero-God?

Bingo, H. There's also a conversation between Akka and Kellhus in which K. confuses Akka over where "here" is. But you've nailed it.

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