[TUC SPOILERS] Who has the worst fate in the series?

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« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2017, 03:47:25 am »
I would like to revise my answer: the worst fate clearly belongs to those fans who were honestly expecting a clean-cut victorious ending, with Jesus Kellhus ending damnation with hugs and creating a Tekne-Gnostic utopia out of Dunyain smiles. To be so short-sighted before is to feel betrayed after, in perpetuity.
Haha yeah good point, though I do not understand how such fans can exist after 7 books of Bakkerism.

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« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2017, 12:27:32 pm »
unless I were armed to the teeth.
Any weapons you take into the presence of a Dunyain will turn against you.
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« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2017, 01:40:14 pm »
Not if you're a hell-god or batshit crazy. Or a better dunyain.

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« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2017, 05:38:52 pm »
Yes, but Akka isn't any of those things.

I was going to add "and neither are you," but that seems presumptuous. ;)
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« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2017, 09:43:21 pm »
All you need is a knife.

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« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2017, 09:44:55 pm »
Don't forget that the dûnyain are a kind of über-ninja/shaolin monks.
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« Reply #51 on: August 13, 2017, 12:03:20 am »
I would like to revise my answer: the worst fate clearly belongs to those fans who were honestly expecting a clean-cut victorious ending, with Jesus Kellhus ending damnation with hugs and creating a Tekne-Gnostic utopia out of Dunyain smiles. To be so short-sighted before is to feel betrayed after, in perpetuity.

I didn't really expect a happy ending, per se.  I just thought Khellus would win but that it wouldn't turn out the way the people of Earwa expected.  And who know, Khellus may not have lost or died as it appears based on some stuff Bakker said and the potential for TSTSNBN.

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« Reply #52 on: August 13, 2017, 08:41:32 am »
Yes, but Akka isn't any of those things.

I was going to add "and neither are you," but that seems presumptuous. ;)
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« Reply #53 on: August 13, 2017, 02:07:34 pm »
I am the Sharmat. I am older than music.
So "batshit crazy" then? ;)
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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2017, 04:45:05 am »
For me, the person with the person fate is Proyas and not just because he ended up emerging as the overall favorite. The reasons have already been stated and I am aware of his flaws. You wouldn't believe the things I've said about him on my Tumblr. But, I think he suffered the worst fate and well, it infuriated me as a lot of people here (and on Westeros) should already know. Now, Achamian is the only character who matters to me.

Anyway, Serwe is at a close second with Nay-Cayuti close behind.
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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2017, 12:56:51 pm »
Great thread and discussion. :D fun to read through.

One thing that keeps being brought up is 'the world without Dunyain'.

What a curious parallel story that would make - especially given that we know Moenghus Sr and Kellhus, with their TTT, ultimately failed to stop Resumption.

Humanity itself suffered the worst fate, at least in its sum.

Without the Dunyain - What happens?
Cnaiur's path remains somewhat similar, probably still becomes the King-of-Tribes and rides against The Empire, if not all the Three Seas.
Conphas, probably, ends up conquering the Fanim and becoming Aspect Emperor, with some real unity between the Inrithi and Fanimry. This unity over the next 20ish years would have progressed through trade and shared conquest to include an empire of similar strength and size of Kellhus'.
Largely, Kellhus' biggest contributions were the Witches and uniting the shools, but they all died anyway, so maybe having them all alive at resumption would have been more effective than a new gnostic school that was dead. Recall that the Mandate were mostly wiped out before Golgotterath anyway, so that's almost a Net 0 transaction.

So the No-God walks, and all the Three Seas are not ultimately much different than before Kellhus showed up, but now they are in their various Casteles and defensible positions, rather than trapped in Golgotterath.
The Consult would still be run by Humans, rather than Dunyain super-human-sorcerer-engineers making New tekne creations, nukes, etc. Heck, maybe there would be no Resumption since the Anasurimbor line would have never been found.

The whole thing might have ended up far better without Moenghus/Kellhus and TTT. Could very well be that the existence of the Dunyain is what caused the demise of all humanity.

Due to the events of TSA, humanity itself might very well end, and therefore, the species as a whole is the biggest loser.
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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2017, 02:19:33 pm »
One Kellhus who is apparently good-natured and "for" humanity for four opposed.
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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2017, 03:33:50 pm »
Conphas as Aspect-Emperor? I'm sure Proyas and Saubon would be glad to hear that. :p
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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2017, 03:38:07 pm »
The return of the No-God IS the Good ending!

I wept for joy when the sarcophagus appeared in front of Mimara.
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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2017, 03:39:33 pm »
The return of the No-God the Good ending!

I wept for joy when the sarcophagus appeared in front of Mimara.

YES! THE BEST ENDING! :D
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