Anissi (c.4089-4113) - The favorite wife of Cnaiür urs Skiötha.
Trondha, Safirig (4076-4117) Man-of-the-Tusk, Galeoth thane, client to Earl Anfirig of Gesindal
Hulwarga, Hringa (4086-4121) Man-of-the-Tusk, second son of King Hringa Raushang of Thunyerus, and leader of the the Thunyeri contingent of the First Holy War after the death of his older brother ... Found murdered in 4121, apparently at the hand of a jealous mistress, though rumors of sorcerous assassination persist.
Semper, Midru (4078-4121) - Man-of-the-Tusk, Ainoni Baron in the First Holy War, murdered by unknown assassins while sleeping in 4121.
Iryssas, Krijates (4089-4121) - Man-of-the-Tusk, young and impetuous major-domo of House Krijates ... Lost in calm seas off the coast of southern Conriya.
Yalgrota Scranchammer (4071-4121) - Man-of-the-Tusk, Thunyeri groom of Prince Hringa Skaiyelt, famed for his giant stature and ferocity in war.
Kimish (4058-4121) - The Prime Interrogator to Ikurei Xerius III. Found dead in a ditch south of the Famiri frontier in 4121.
Hortha, Sunhail (4064-4121) - Man-of-the-Tusk, Galeoth knight, client to Coithus Saubon, whelmed as a Judge following the conquest of Shimeh, only to be found murdered in Aöknyssus under suspicious circumstances six months afterward.
Six months after the fall of Shimeh is probably still in 4112, right? Either way, it sure ain't 4121.
As for the other entries, I did notice poor Anissi when reading the glossary (maybe because it's an early entry), likely died at the hands of the Serwë skin-spy, no? That can't have been pleasant or quick. :(
Her daughter Sanathi also seems to have died at some point (when I first saw the death date for Anissi I went to check her entry too). Maybe she died in much the same way...
Hmmm, I forgot about Sanathi. Checking her entry (I have the UK paperback) it has her death date listed as "?". Does your copy say different?
If she isn't dead, I am sure she was "apportioned" to one of the "mightiest" of the Scylvendi just like the widows were when Cnaiür first united the tribes, as mentioned in the "Upright Horn" chapter of TUC.
Great find indeed.
I think there are other things like this in the Glossary, you don't write 200 pages of names and definitions without putting something juicy here and there.
Ingiaban, Sristai (4059—4121)—Man-of-the-Tusk, Palatine of the Conriyan province of Kethantei. Murdered by thieves while visiting family in Aoknyssus.
Another one?
In 4121, following the installation of Nurbanu Soter as King-Regent of High Ainon, the Holy Aspect-Emperor famously stayed in Kiz as a guest of Heramari Iyokus, the famed Blind Necromancer, learning the most forbidden of the forbidden arts, the Daimos
Soter, Nurbanu (4069–)—Ordealman, Believer-King of High Ainon, leader of the Ainoni contingent in the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus. Originally Palatine of the Ainoni district of Kishyat when he joined the First Holy War, but made “King-Regent” of High Ainon as reward for his role in the Unification Wars. Renowned for his pragmatic brutality.
QuoteIn 4121, following the installation of Nurbanu Soter as King-Regent of High Ainon, the Holy Aspect-Emperor famously stayed in Kiz as a guest of Heramari Iyokus, the famed Blind Necromancer, learning the most forbidden of the forbidden arts, the DaimosQuoteSoter, Nurbanu (4069–)—Ordealman, Believer-King of High Ainon, leader of the Ainoni contingent in the Great Ordeal of Anasûrimbor Kellhus. Originally Palatine of the Ainoni district of Kishyat when he joined the First Holy War, but made “King-Regent” of High Ainon as reward for his role in the Unification Wars. Renowned for his pragmatic brutality.
And there is no Kosoter entry in the Glossary (even Koll has one!).
That might just be because he's an important character? Main characters and the like don't usually get glossary entries... :-\
Ingiaban, Sristai (4059—4121)—Man-of-the-Tusk, Palatine of the Conriyan province of Kethantei. Murdered by thieves while visiting family in Aoknyssus.
Another one?
seems like you struck something, based on bakker's rafo response.
Seriously impressive catch.
seems like you struck something, based on bakker's rafo response.
Seriously impressive catch.
Thanks! Yeah, I saw that. Interesting to think this may have some bearing on TNG ...
I keep wondering if Bakker was congratulating you on finding this rather than hinting at a future development in TNG. I mean, it's hard to see how the surviving characters finding out about the deaths of 4121 would matter (or even work) with Kellhus and presumably everyone involved in the cover up/purge dead. There might be something I'm not thinking of here, though.
Well, he wasn't speaking directly to me - I'm not on Reddit. But he did seem to respond to the query with a "RAFO", which suggests it may come up somehow in the next series. How? No idea!
It is difficult for me to understand how this purge will have some actual and present relevance in the TNG series.
I keep wondering if Bakker was congratulating you on finding this rather than hinting at a future development in TNG. I mean, it's hard to see how the surviving characters finding out about the deaths of 4121 would matter (or even work) with Kellhus and presumably everyone involved in the cover up/purge dead. There might be something I'm not thinking of here, though.
On finding the significance of these deaths ten years or more later in TNG, might Achamian's new status as Prophet of the Past factor in? It hasn't served much purpose since finding Ishual, but who's to say how it might continue to evolve?
Seswatha might also have made contingencies in the nature of the Dreams. Perhaps all Gnostic sorcerers will find them deeply changed with the No-God as a walking reality instead of a pervasive threat.
So... I realize that few people have read the Atrocity Tales but I'll put forth an interesting theory that profgrape and FB have inspired in me:(click to show/hide)
And that's hopefully my only nerdanel for today. Gall, I feel like I should have thrown some all caps in there because that's worthy of FB and MG's crazy ;).
On finding the significance of these deaths ten years or more later in TNG, might Achamian's new status as Prophet of the Past factor in? It hasn't served much purpose since finding Ishual, but who's to say how it might continue to evolve?
Seswatha might also have made contingencies in the nature of the Dreams. Perhaps all Gnostic sorcerers will find them deeply changed with the No-God as a walking reality instead of a pervasive threat.
That's really good stuff, Madness. It makes everything I found somewhat confusing about THE CARATHAYAN pop right into place. And I can see how it might possibly tie into the 4121 murders as well.
As an aside, I must say I really enjoyed THE CARATHAYAN and think it is by far Bakker's funniest work. If Bakker has a weakness, IMO, it's his occasional use of humor. Doesn't work for me most of the time. But I think Scraul is pretty hilarious and likable character. (For a complete murdering psychopath, that is!)
Ekkinû—Sorcerous arras behind Kellhus’s bench in the Eleven-Pole Chamber. Sorcerous artifact of unknown provenance or function, first reported in the possession of Anasûrimbor Kellhus in 4122 (thus earning a place among the Orthodox “Articles of Damnation”).Several theories regarding its origins and uses have circulated through various literate entrepots around the Three Seas, among them the suggestion that the undulating displays constitute some kind of language, but consensus considers them decorative merely.
MSJ theory time! :)QuoteEkkinû—Sorcerous arras behind Kellhus’s bench in the Eleven-Pole Chamber. Sorcerous artifact of unknown provenance or function, first reported in the possession of Anasûrimbor Kellhus in 4122 (thus earning a place among the Orthodox “Articles of Damnation”).Several theories regarding its origins and uses have circulated through various literate entrepots around the Three Seas, among them the suggestion that the undulating displays constitute some kind of language, but consensus considers them decorative merely.
The mysterious deaths of 4121, hmmm. So, was checking out the EG and came across this entry, that Madness seems fond of. Here's my theory, the mysterious deaths of 4121 were a result of creating the Ekkinû. My bold, what if these undulating displays in fact constitute the souls that so mysteriously disappeared and is the work of the diamos. Or, rather, a means to use the diamos more effectively? Also, the Ekkinû surfaced just after 4121 and the deaths. Just some thoughts. Anyone have any other ideas?
The weirdest part is that sorweel sees scrolling text on them and notes that only he and demons can see it.
So, was checking out the EG and came across this entry, that Madness seems fond of.
Well, I finished the Glossary today - fucking finally! While I'm still convinced that the deaths of 4121 involve Kellhus' then recent Daimotic sabbatical, I've also become convinced that some of them - given other entries mentioning religious Excision - must have something to do with the Excision of Byantas (Glossary entry Byantas).
Just another morsel for us to pick to death.
For the record, Byantas lived some 2,000 years prior to Kellhus. While his excision might be related to the deaths, he has been dead a long time.Well, I finished the Glossary today - fucking finally! While I'm still convinced that the deaths of 4121 involve Kellhus' then recent Daimotic sabbatical, I've also become convinced that some of them - given other entries mentioning religious Excision - must have something to do with the Excision of Byantas (Glossary entry Byantas).
So basically Byantas and his disciples/main followers were all deemed apostates and killed?
Not something i had considered before. Personally i had assumed it to be early experimentation with Decapitant replacement and control. Range, recall, familiarity with the subject being important early on. Has he learned to create Ciphrang from fervent followers maybe?
It was interesting that Bakker killed the conversation dead when asked about it in his reddit AMA. Bakker has stated in the past that the glossaries are to be no more trusted than real world accounts by biased historians recording events both during and long before their time (at least how i interpreted it). Meaning you are probably correct. He has given us as much as he intends to on this subject and it has no further bearing on the series. Just another morsel for us to pick to death.
And now that Kellhus is dead, I will guarantee you that they will go right back to celebrating "that hero".