Quote from: Blackstone on June 01, 2016, 05:18:17 pm

Excellent! Thanks for looking that up, H.

So it sounds like the Tall may be intact enough to give it one last round with the Consult.

Does anyone suppose we are going to see Mekertirig in TUC? If Kellhus ran into him in TDTCB, then it seems like they should logically meet up again.

Luckily that one was easy to find, haha.  Ebook can't get here soon enough!

I'd bet we do see him again.  However, I could easily see him being too aloof to be found.  It would be kind of neat if Akka and Mimara ran into him though.  I wonder, is he that much more powerful than Akka with the Gnosis?  My guess would be yes...

That would be my guess as well, but I feel like the False Sun did give us a hint that a human can be more powerful that a nonman.

Quote from: profgrape on June 01, 2016, 04:41:31 pm

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His hair was as white as the peaks of the Atkondras, his skin nut brown.

We don't ever get evidence of his being "old".  Only that he has white hair.

True.  To me there is a difference between gray and white hair.  White would seem to indicate it wasn't age that caused it in my mind.

I had to look it up to be sure, but IRL, white hair indicates greater age than gray hair. As people age their hair follicles stop producing pigment.

I don't know, it's plausible that he had prematurely graying hair.  Sure, that would seem to be a strike against the theory, but I don't think it proves it wrong, per se.

No, it doesn't prove it wrong, but if there is evidence against and none for, then it seems like the most likely explanation is that he isn't the boy. And if all the Cishaurim were destroyed at Shimeh, then no one would be left to teach the boy the Psukhe. The most likely explanation is that Meppa, as a full fledged Cishaurim, somehow escaped.

Here's a question though, Meppa tells Fanayal that he doesn't remember who he was or where he came from.  But he tells Kellhus who he is, so he clearly lied to Fanayal.  Why?

That is an interesting question. I see what Hirtius/Pansa is saying, but it seems like the most basic interpretation is that Meppa lied to Fanayal.

Another question: Are we missing an obvious point? What cant is "Meppa?"

Quote from: profgrape on June 01, 2016, 03:20:44 pm

It might be that he expected Kellhus to engage him in a sword fight that would lead to the blade breaking and the fragment sailing through the air into the Aspect-Emperor's heart.  But then Kelmomas sort of borked the whole thing by introducing an element that was both outside the Inside and Outside?

Yeah, something changed even before the throne room though, because I don't think he even had the sword with him at the time.

I don't think he could even kill Kellhus that way...the guy plucks arrows out of the air. And wouldn't sorcerous wards protect from swords?

I don't think Kellhus knew enough about TJE to have come up with any proper conclusion, nor that he saw TJE.

Seems to short circuit Koringhus pretty well. Maybe almost completely destroying the before/after thing in a way that sorcery only disrupts.

Zero-God and It seems to be about the same to me. Kor/Kel don't necessarily need the same data inputs to come to the same conclusion.

I think you are probably right about Kellhus not fully understanding or grasping the Eye. He didn't interact with her all that often. I don't remember off the top of my head what Koringhus's interpretation of Mimara's face after the eye opened, but she certainly smashed everything he believed to be true in a matter of minutes.

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Did he teleport away?  I don't recall that.  I'll have to look at it again.

I think it's implied that he did, since the next scene is him in the tent with Malowebi. I believe the scene in the throne room ends with Kell sitting on his throne. I no longer have my ARC so I can't check.

I'm not sure on the timeline of that whole thing, but there is no direct referance to him teleporting. I actually got the feeling that the Malowebi scene took place before the throne room scene. I'm kind of wondering if we were supposed to be wondering if Kellhus survived.

I think Malowebi happened after. Kell still had both Decapitants on his belt when Esmi saw him.

That's a good point.  I think that chapter bounces around.  However, I have some minor doubts.  IMO, the Decapitant would probably have had to have been attached pretty much right away, right?  I mean, you wouldn't let a body bleed out from being decapitated, then go back later and attach a demon head.  Would you?  Seems like the body would still need it's blood to function, but hell, maybe not with a demon head grafted onto it.

Also, Kellhus appears in Fanayal's camp only after the first earthquake, not after the second.  Again, why would he show up in camp, thrash everyone, teleport to the palace, yada yada, then teleport back to the camp to attach the demon head?  Unless the body needed time to exsanguinate first.  Circuitous thoughts! ah!

When I did my second read, I decided that he didn't kill Malowebi immediately. It says the sword came down, but it could have been the pommel of the sword to knock him out instead of the blade to kill him. Then Kell transported to the throne room because he was short on time. Then back to make a demon. That's the only thing that makes sense to me with the way it's written right now.

Did he teleport away?  I don't recall that.  I'll have to look at it again.

I think it's implied that he did, since the next scene is him in the tent with Malowebi. I believe the scene in the throne room ends with Kell sitting on his throne. I no longer have my ARC so I can't check.

Yes, give the Artifacts, the Aporos, and the Gnosis, what other specialized schools might they have founded.

It makes me wonder if we will see any of them turn up. Perhaps the nonmen crossed into Eanna and taught the Gnosis to the last tribe of men.