The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Unholy Consult => Topic started by: Swayal Serpent on July 30, 2017, 10:45:57 pm

Title: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Swayal Serpent on July 30, 2017, 10:45:57 pm
I remember seeing a comment from Bakker on Westeros where he said something along the lines of "we haven't seen the last of Kosoter". This was pre TUC, and after reading that I had figured that Kosoter would play a role in TUC, and had assumed he was the other decapitant. But after finishing the book, this seems unlikely. Any thoughts on how Kosoter will play a role in TNG? I really hope to see more of him, he was an intriguing character

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Title: Re: Kosoter
Post by: themerchant on July 30, 2017, 11:11:15 pm
Yeah i also thought that Kosotor was the other head. Especially after seeing that comment.

I think it will to do with soul swapping or implanting souls into another body, using decapitatants. I guess it was no mistake that Sarl cut his head off.
Title: Re: Kosoter
Post by: Swayal Serpent on July 31, 2017, 12:44:35 am
Yeah i also thought that Kosotor was the other head. Especially after seeing that comment.

I think it will to do with soul swapping or implanting souls into another body, using decapitatants. I guess it was no mistake that Sarl cut his head off.

That sounds about right. There's no way that Kosoter being beheaded was just a coincidence, and after what we learned in TUC with malowebie still being "alive" after his beheading, it seems that Kellhus was using some sort of soul trapping. I wonder what his part will be in TNG. I'd love to see him return as some Uber ciphrang
Title: Re: Kosoter
Post by: Madness on July 31, 2017, 01:13:57 pm
With all this useful decapitation happening (including even Bakker's latest Atrocity Tale), his comment regarding Kosoter is very interesting.

I simply took him to mean that Sarl still had a role to play at some point (now obviously in TNG rather than TAE).
Title: Re: Kosoter
Post by: H on July 31, 2017, 01:17:00 pm
With all this useful decapitation happening (including even Bakker's latest Atrocity Tale), his comment regarding Kosoter is very interesting.

I simply took him to mean that Sarl still had a role to play at some point (now obviously in TNG rather than TAE).

Decapitation is the new blindness.  Get on the "augmentation by subtraction" train today!
Title: Re: Kosoter
Post by: Madness on July 31, 2017, 02:10:21 pm
Lol. Blind yourself, see the World-Between. Decapitate yourself, and become a lightning rod for the Outside itself ;).
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Somnambulist on July 31, 2017, 07:15:53 pm
Major derail, but am I the only one who automatically thinks The Next Generation (a la Star Trek) when I see TNG?  I know it means 'The No-God' but, still...  showing my age, I guess.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: themerchant on July 31, 2017, 07:20:08 pm
Major derail, but am I the only one who automatically thinks The Next Generation (a la Star Trek) when I see TNG?  I know it means 'The No-God' but, still...  showing my age, I guess.

No I think that as well. My entire value system has been irrevocably shaped by TNG and Transformers generaton 1. (as another derailment)
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Hiro on July 31, 2017, 07:21:26 pm
Major derail, but am I the only one who automatically thinks The Next Generation (a la Star Trek) when I see TNG?  I know it means 'The No-God' but, still...  showing my age, I guess.

You're not the only one.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: themerchant on July 31, 2017, 07:23:55 pm
This now a star-trek thread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edflm7Hh3hs&t=
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Somnambulist on July 31, 2017, 08:08:38 pm
Sorry, back to Kosoter.  I would have been satisfied with his storyline, were it not for that RSB comment about not being done.  Unless it's a reverse to the 'Cnaiur's storyline is done' way back ago.  Ha!  I don't know if I have any other thoughts on this particular subject.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Swayal Serpent on August 01, 2017, 12:03:27 am
Sorry, back to Kosoter.  I would have been satisfied with his storyline, were it not for that RSB comment about not being done.  Unless it's a reverse to the 'Cnaiur's storyline is done' way back ago.  Ha!  I don't know if I have any other thoughts on this particular subject.

Haha that would be brilliant if Bakker pulled a reverse Cnaiur, just to keep everyone on their toes
Title: Re: Kosoter
Post by: CondYoke on August 01, 2017, 07:35:39 pm
With all this useful decapitation happening (including even Bakker's latest Atrocity Tale), his comment regarding Kosoter is very interesting.

I simply took him to mean that Sarl still had a role to play at some point (now obviously in TNG rather than TAE).
The latest Atrocity Tale was in the Evil is a Matter of Perspective collection, no? Any links to buy that?
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Madness on August 01, 2017, 10:17:39 pm
With all this useful decapitation happening (including even Bakker's latest Atrocity Tale), his comment regarding Kosoter is very interesting.

I simply took him to mean that Sarl still had a role to play at some point (now obviously in TNG rather than TAE).
The latest Atrocity Tale was in the Evil is a Matter of Perspective collection, no? Any links to buy that?

Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Evil-Matter-Perspective-Adrian-Tchaikovsky-ebook/dp/B072HSWC8R?tag=geo01-20&SubscriptionId=AKIAI3FTSIOZQ7GOWL4Q&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B072HSWC8R) and I'm sure via pretty much any online retailer at this point :).
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Wilshire on August 08, 2017, 05:32:24 pm
Sorry, back to Kosoter.  I would have been satisfied with his storyline, were it not for that RSB comment about not being done.  Unless it's a reverse to the 'Cnaiur's storyline is done' way back ago.  Ha!  I don't know if I have any other thoughts on this particular subject.

Haha that would be brilliant if Bakker pulled a reverse Cnaiur, just to keep everyone on their toes
lmao. Please no.

With all this useful decapitation happening (including even Bakker's latest Atrocity Tale), his comment regarding Kosoter is very interesting.

I simply took him to mean that Sarl still had a role to play at some point (now obviously in TNG rather than TAE).
The latest Atrocity Tale was in the Evil is a Matter of Perspective collection, no? Any links to buy that?

Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/Evil-Matter-Perspective-Adrian-Tchaikovsky-ebook/dp/B072HSWC8R?tag=geo01-20&SubscriptionId=AKIAI3FTSIOZQ7GOWL4Q&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B072HSWC8R) and I'm sure via pretty much any online retailer at this point :).
Worth the price of entry, but I'm a sucker for Earwa tales. Knife of Many Hands is elsewhere as well if you haven't gotten to those yet.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Likaro on August 08, 2017, 05:37:01 pm
The thing is, don't you need a Daimotic sorceror to reattach the head to a body?
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Madness on August 09, 2017, 03:38:24 am
Some of the Scarlet Spires may survive with the Ordeal?

Alternatively, Bakker has maintained as far back as ZTS comments (http://forum.three-seas.com/posts/7056) that though they eschew the practice both the Nonmen and Gnostic Schools have "flirted with summoning various 'Agencies.'"
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: The Sharmat on August 09, 2017, 03:52:40 am
Yeah I think the distinction with the Scarlet Spires is that they were the only ones to study it systematically at an organizational level.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] Kosoter
Post by: Madness on August 09, 2017, 04:20:20 am
Indeed. If I recall correctly, Iyokus prides himself on that fact in TWP when summoning the first on-page Ciphrang to deal with Achamian.