[Aural]

What littlefinger tells Sansa about blackish taking revrrrun or reuniting some army is a lie, right?

[MSJ]

No, I think he was truly scared for his life there and offering to help to regain Sansa's trust.

[Aural]

Was it confirmed at some point or is that your guess?

[MSJ]

Was it confirmed at some point or is that your guess?

No, pure speculation and that seems to be MO. He saves his hide at all costs, so he continue in the Game of Thrones.

[Madness]

My first thought was that it was lie but... I don't know how to read this show anymore.

I read a quoted portion of an interview that suggested that GRRM gave three pieces of information to Weiss and Benioff after they burned through his source material. First was Shireen's Death, the second was "Hold the Door" (which makes me tear up a little), and the third is something that happens in the last episodes of the show's story.

Otherwise, I think it's going to be really interesting to watch the show fumble with the story as it stands - because ultimately I don't think Weiss or Benioff are as good a writer as GRRM (and I didn't like ASOIAF when I tried to read it as a teenager, though GJ has recently sparked my interested in reattempting, as Wilshire did for me regarding Malazan).

[Aural]

Yeah, and seeing as Sansa has told Jon and the rest about this and they seem to have bought it I'm guessing it's going to create some problems between Jon and Sansa later once they get fucked by LF.

I had lost interest in GoT around season three/four when the show became a torture porn fiesta. But seeing as the end seems near and things are actually being revealed my interest has been renewed somewhat.

[Madness]

So who is up to date?

Sounds like we're in for some climatic season ending episodes.

[MSJ]

So who is up to date?

Sounds like we're in for some climatic season ending episodes.

I missed Sunday's episode, but have it DVR'd. I have a feeling that the show will be exceedingly different from TWOW. I wonder just how much the producers know. I'm sure they do a little mid-wifery, a là Madness and The Second Apocalypse.

[Madness]

Lol - midwifery makes some much more sense when you hear it said .

But yes, they are definitely going to go off the rails with this show and it'll probably be great but it's not going to be the books and watching GRRM bring resolution to it.

[themerchant]

It's a trainwreck.

I wonder what GRRM thinks, cause it really is a terrible show. The books are very good, the first 3 are great.

[Madness]

Well - this season especially the dialogue and the pacing have been shite; especially compared with GRRM's own pacing (which they've clearly gone full-board ahead of that now).

Actually, I just realized today is Monday. I guess I will watch yesterday's episode soon.

[locke]

It's a trainwreck.

I wonder what GRRM thinks, cause it really is a terrible show. The books are very good, the first 3 are great.

The last two books were a train wreck with occasional flashes of brilliance. The show has faithfully replicated that from the books. this season has been stronger than last as they are extricating themselves from the impenetrable narrative knots Martin tied himself in. But the narrative aimlessness of the last two books still.hasnt been completely leached out.

That said beyond the weak plotting of the last two books, the bigger problem us that almost all the conflict is internalized within layers of subterfuge and obfuscation. You can portray some of that on tv, but you'll bog down the narrative like the books. Or you can painfully simplify and externalize all the conflict in really broad scenes, as Aryas faceless man plot (and others) has been handled--but it does stink for book readers in some respects, but they're trying to drive her narrative out of its stasis, otherwise bravos becomes another meereen.

[themerchant]

My recollection of the books doesn't indicate they are the problem with the quality of the show, considering how often they don't use the books anyway.

I don't watch TV normally. Not seen any of the shows like The Wire/Sopranos/whatever one/ breaking bad. Just watching this to see if anything interesting happens

Watching Game of Thrones is actually amusing. The "Bravosi Biathlon" parkour mixed with knife fights. Faceless men adopting European soccer fan tactics in hunting down prey. I wonder if the glamour of the faceless men was described to the writers as "hey you know in Terminator 2 how the T1000 can change faces etc, that's how the glamour works". Then they took the comparison too far.

I bet the final scene is Euron being told they still have over 400 ships left to build.

[Madness]

Pretty weak episode. I guess we'll see how the last couple fare.

[MSJ]

I had made a comment to the wife early in the season, that without the books, the producers were hurting for material and it's showing. Last night when we was catching up, she said that it's getting bad, real bad. Some of the dialogue is just.....horrendous.