Greetings fine wise men of the SA. I've been covertly mining this forum for years for thoughts on Bakker's works and have finally decided to join the strip mining of smarter posters than me for insight.

Hey guys. Long time reader, short time lurker. Love the series. Already got two of my friends hooked on it. Thought id say hi and post some comments and questions ive tallied up during my readings. pretty aspect emperor heavy so i'll put a spoiler tag in case

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So the mark doesn’t equate to damnation since chorae have a deep mark and are sorcerous items but going by the JE they are god’s own tears though this doesn’t actually tell us if sorcerers themselves are damned. Guess we have to wait and see whether mimara glimpses a socerer that isn’t damned.

Mimara sees snakes as holy….are cish holy for their affinity for snakes

Kellhus shows us his own inverse fire….is this a prelude to what the consult inverse fire is. Long distance communication with the black heavens.….an emptiness that lets people peer out or into someplace else.  Damnation-scope

Mimara claims it wasn’t the betrayal of the nonmen that created the topoi in the mountain but rather the generations of human slaves the nonmen used. Just interesting because akka assumes wrong stuff all the time. Misdirection for the reader I guess.

The judging eye is a thing of women that will give birth to stillborn children….but mimara had the judging eye well before she became pregnant. Is this a result of mimara herself being born even tho esmi was using the whore’s shell.

In chapt 1 of the UC akka talks about how when souls are trapped into objects like wathi dolls etc
“ The intricacies of identity are always sheared away. Memory. Faculty. Character. These are cast into the pit... Only the most base urges survive in proxies.”
Just like the nonman revenant created on the topoi under the mountain dreaming he was a god but with a hunger and speaking through the unconscious akka etc
Just like the no-god created in golgotterath (known topoi according to akkas dreams) speaking through scranc, wracu etc. asking who he is

i.e. is the no-god a big ol soul trap.

Also is wutteat a temporary storage bank for souls of the inchora if hell sustains him from within and he refuses to die until salvation is achieved. (I’ve read some theories already but thought I’d remention)


finally what is with the glow around kellhus's hands. the first time the books mention a halo its serwe noticing them on the skin spy mimic of kellhus. clearly thats just serwe's insanity bleeding through but then the next time they are mentioned by kellhus himself after his ordeal on the tree and pulling out serwe's heart from his robe...right after his mind broke. latter when kel is talkin to his pa he mentioned seeing the halo about his hands all the time. We know some of his followers see the halo...even aka glimpses it on occasion but some people see it all the time and others only intermittently.

point im getting to is that it seems to me that the halo is evidenced by people who are probably insane. serwe and kel included. but madness in earwa isnt an objective discredit to people seeing the halo. it has a metaphysical component. when Cnaiür recalls akkas tutorial on madness

" Each man, he explained, was a kind of hole in existence, a point where the Outside penetrated the world. He tapped one of the beads with his finger. It broke, staining the surrounding parchment. When the trials of the world broke men, he explained, the Outside leaked into the world. This, he had said, was madness."

so i guess im saying that kelhus is mad and that thru him the outside is leaking into the world hence the halo that people sometimes see. this differs to sorcery but is more like the way the godess yatwer can do some pretty freaky/crazy stuff but we dont necessarily call it sorcery.

Anyways. that was a good rant of all my different theories. let me know what you guys think

cant wait for TUC. the delay is killing me lol

Hello,

I just picked up the first book of the SA series about two months ago, and I just finished the 5 currently published books.

I discovered the series through a mention on the Westeros.org forums, and also by googling for fantasy maps. (I'm a real map nerd) What piqued my interest was a mention of the there being sci-fi elements of the story, which made it sound interesting... I'm primarily a Sci-Fi reader that does not care much for fantasy in general. I read LOTR before the film trilogy, and then didn't really read much until I picked up GRRM's ASOIAF shortly before the show started on HBO. The world-building aspects of fantasy has to be VERY good, otherwise I just won't bother, and it was pointed out that Bakker's SA was of similar quality as GRRM's work. And I agree, although Bakker has different strengths (and weaknesses) compared to GRRM.

But I'm a big fan now, and I'm about to start my re-read of the series. I have this nasty habit of skimming boring parts (certain POVs) when reading the first time, so I know I'll pick up a LOT more the 2nd time around.

Anyway, I hope to contribute to this forum more in the near future, but I may not have much to write until I finish my re-read (and TGO).

New to the forum but too big a fan of the series not to partake.

I thought I was clever at 3am coming up with the username 'Ogo' ('the logos is without beginning or end') but in the harsh light of day I feel slightly less so!

I didn't see this intro forum, and like a savage I just started right in posting and measuring tongues or whatever it is we're doing around here.

I did mention in another thread that I got here by way of the podcast, which I found by way of the Facebook page, which I found by way of the Grimdark FB page, which I found by way of the Grimdark Magazine... Which I found because I heard about Scott's "The Knife of Many Hands" story. So I guess it all comes back around.

I recall where but not when I discovered TDTCB: it was a Border's bookstore outside Pittsburgh. I and some of my fellow teacher friends had gotten away from kids and campus to spend a quiet afternoon. I happened to pick up TDTCB and after sitting there reading the prologue, I was totally hooked. Had to buy it and read it. It had to be sometime between 2004-2006, I guess.

Hey guys!

Ive just finished my third read through of TDTCB-TWLW, and a  first read through (with more to follow, im sure) of TGO.

Ive been lurking on the forums for a few months now as a guest, simply because I haven't had a whole lot to contribute what with TWLW being so old, but now the TGO has dropped , I thought now was as good a time as ever to dive right in!

Never been involved in a book forum before, so if I breach Jnan at all, I do apologize 

Hi there. My name is Nigel. I am a huge fan of the second apocalypse series and the general philosophy within. Nice to become part of your community here.

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Hi Vegetables!  I am really impressed by your appendage there!  Welcome!