Were there any notable Freudian slips on Bakker's part about things we aren't supposed to know yet?
Awesome.
What did you see? What are you?
Did y'all find meaning?
For real though, what's the best piece of info gleaned from the man that would have us shitting and giggling.
I'm also interested in knowing what you guys learned from the Q&A, anything surprising/intriguing that hadn't come up before in the AMA?
Bakker seemed pretty ready to talk about whatever we asked about. Just a couple RAFO's, and explicitly "no questions about halos". Other than that, he seemed happy to indulge us.
So... was anything revealed about the fate of Shaeönanra?
And did anybody ask about Kellhus telling Proyas that the Inchoroi must win at some point :D?
True, we all know you're full of shit, Madness.
- "Kellhus is dead but not done."
- I missed a couple portions of Saturday but as I have always a big proponent of Fanimry it was relayed to me later that no in-world interpretation about the state of the World, the Outside, and the reality of Earwa is right; Memgowa, then Ajencis have come up with the best interpretations but Fane is among the most wrong.
Broke my heart, though Meppa is definitely alive and his story continues in TNG.
Also, Sarl's story continues in TNG!
Good overview Madness, but, among other things, you didn't even mention The Crabiciad...
- I missed a couple portions of Saturday but as I have always a big proponent of Fanimry it was relayed to me later that no in-world interpretation about the state of the World, the Outside, and the reality of Earwa is right; Memgowa, then Ajencis have come up with the best interpretations but Fane is among the most wrong.
Haha, even Bakker doesn't know the Truth about Kellhus.Awesome.
What did you see? What are you?
Lol, I think I've described a portion of what I saw above.
Seriously, brain just feels overloaded right now - though that could have been the beers as well.
After this weekend, I am the Lesser Madness living and dreaming and hoping while the Greater Madness plays its game ;).Did y'all find meaning?
For real though, what's the best piece of info gleaned from the man that would have us shitting and giggling.
I feel like there was a pretty extensive conversation regarding morality on Friday night. One great line that got a laugh, I think, was "Would you ask Mohammad to rewrite the Quran?"I'm also interested in knowing what you guys learned from the Q&A, anything surprising/intriguing that hadn't come up before in the AMA?
- "Kellhus is dead but not done."
- I missed a couple portions of Saturday but as I have always a big proponent of Fanimry it was relayed to me later that no in-world interpretation about the state of the World, the Outside, and the reality of Earwa is right; Memgowa, then Ajencis have come up with the best interpretations but Fane is among the most wrong.
Broke my heart, though Meppa is definitely alive and his story continues in TNG.
Also, Sarl's story continues in TNG!
Plenty of others but I will let others divulge as the Nascenti all take time to digest.Bakker seemed pretty ready to talk about whatever we asked about. Just a couple RAFO's, and explicitly "no questions about halos". Other than that, he seemed happy to indulge us.
I was, of course, very pleased to hear about this about the halo questions ;).So... was anything revealed about the fate of Shaeönanra?
And did anybody ask about Kellhus telling Proyas that the Inchoroi must win at some point :D?
Others can answer better than I but we brought up the theories his Q&A/AMA answers about Shauriatas had spawned and it's a big ol' RAFO.
I don't think we got a chance to query regarding "the Inchoroi must win."
Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.
-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .
Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.
-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .
Petty. Almost nauseatingly similar to jealous small-minded disciples hoarding their master's words for temporal power. This author, future Zaudunyani cons and this work will not be served by secrecy of any kind. Martin, Abercrombie and Rothfuss are most well served by fans shouting to the heaven's and across reddit anytime they get a chance to hear thoughts from their favorite scribe.
Get out of the way and spread the word.
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Kellhus, Shauriatis, Halos, Fanimry. All fucking amazing.
If you guys ever want to do this in the UK, I'm in!
Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Some moments were not for the rest of you.
Bakker was nonplussed by the name Crabbicus, and he seemed almost offended that we've starting calling the first book of TNG The Crabiqiad.
He still seemed surprised at the idea of Baby Kellhus and that people read so much into it.
Cnaiur's possession by Ajokli, stumbling blind into the Whirlwind, has been in the plan for decades.
Bakker was genuinely upset when we showed him all the typos in TUC as proof that Overlook is doing a poor job.
lmao. Yes yes, let me hold my privilege over you.Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Some moments were not for the rest of you.
ah look a new clique lol
Sorry not current in this thread. Did anyone mention meta-meta-gnostic sorcery yet? Basically Super Saiyan 3.
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Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.
-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .
Petty. Almost nauseatingly similar to jealous small-minded disciples hoarding their master's words for temporal power. This author, future Zaudunyani cons and this work will not be served by secrecy of any kind. Martin, Abercrombie and Rothfuss are most well served by fans shouting to the heaven's and across reddit anytime they get a chance to hear thoughts from their favorite scribe.
Get out of the way and spread the word.
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I don't think that's entirely fair. Wilshire has already been kind enough to share alot with us, and will probably continue to share with us. While I do.wish that he would share the recording, he has no obligation to, and I understand why he wouldn't. Bakker probably told the nascenti to keep certain things confidential to avoid spoilers for the rest of us
Bakker was nonplussed by the name Crabbicus, and he seemed almost offended that we've starting calling the first book of TNG The Crabiqiad.
Cnaiur's possession by Ajokli, stumbling blind into the Whirlwind, has been in the plan for decades.
Bakker was genuinely upset when we showed him all the typos in TUC as proof that Overlook is doing a poor job.
ah look a new clique lol
lmao. Yes yes, let me hold my privilege over you.
Nah I just meant it was a fairly personal setting and some moments beyond the book discussion were just conversational. And besides, I'm encouraging the rest of you to come 'next year'. At least I didn't call for a media blackout since we didn't sell enough tickets ;).
Who knows how many hidden cliques there are here, ya know? ARC readers, manuscript readers, these Nascenti, etc. We've got titles and groups for those who need be separated from the rest (or do we??). To cull the willing from the herd, as it were ;) . That's how we maintain our control, separating everyone into isolated cells and pitting them against eachother. *maniacal laugh*.
Oh, who was it, Tividar I think, late one night said something to the effect of "Wilshire I thought you'd be more of an asshole". This greatly amused me. Defying expectations is favorite :D. (Tividar if you remember exactly what you said, please quote for me lol).
Sorry not current in this thread. Did anyone mention meta-meta-gnostic sorcery yet? Basically Super Saiyan 3.
Sorry not current in this thread. Did anyone mention meta-meta-gnostic sorcery yet? Basically Super Saiyan 3.
Is this an actual (theoretical) thing?
Oh, lol, sorry I missed this. Even if you are serious, you were invited the same as everyone else. Come 'next year' and do as you will.Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.
-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .
Petty. Almost nauseatingly similar to jealous small-minded disciples hoarding their master's words for temporal power. This author, future Zaudunyani cons and this work will not be served by secrecy of any kind. Martin, Abercrombie and Rothfuss are most well served by fans shouting to the heaven's and across reddit anytime they get a chance to hear thoughts from their favorite scribe.
Get out of the way and spread the word.
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Well to be fair, Spooky is kind of correct on this.Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.
-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .
Petty. Almost nauseatingly similar to jealous small-minded disciples hoarding their master's words for temporal power. This author, future Zaudunyani cons and this work will not be served by secrecy of any kind. Martin, Abercrombie and Rothfuss are most well served by fans shouting to the heaven's and across reddit anytime they get a chance to hear thoughts from their favorite scribe.
Get out of the way and spread the word.
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Zaudunyannicon wasn't a failure, it was just something for fun and if you had that then it was a success :)Oh, lol, sorry I missed this. Even if you are serious, you were invited the same as everyone else. Come 'next year' and do as you will.Also, what prompted him to say that? Did someone ask about them first or did he simply say "no questions about halos" before the Q&A began?
Somewhere near the start of Friday Q/A somone asked a questions about something, Kellhus maybe?, and in the answers he tacked on "and no questions about halos" - that is my vague memory. Good thing I got recordings and we won't have to rely on my shit memory once we type it up.
-And no, I have no intention of posting the recordings. Some moments were not for the rest of you. Come to the next one ;) . Bakker the Younger will be posting plenty of stuff for you all eventually, and we'll be posting pictures. I've got a great one of him signing the Coffers :D .
Petty. Almost nauseatingly similar to jealous small-minded disciples hoarding their master's words for temporal power. This author, future Zaudunyani cons and this work will not be served by secrecy of any kind. Martin, Abercrombie and Rothfuss are most well served by fans shouting to the heaven's and across reddit anytime they get a chance to hear thoughts from their favorite scribe.
Get out of the way and spread the word.
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And you're always welcome to make your own forum, develop your own relationships, forge your own community, make your own plans with Bakker, and hold your own fun gatherings. I'd imagine they'd be much better than the shit we've been able to pull together - let's be honest, Zaudunyanicon was a failure (really guys, 9 people?), so make a better one next year. I'd much rather go to one or watch the video than have to plan it.
Or stay here and wait for whatever scraps drop from 'jealous small-minded disciples' lol. As always, thanks for commenting, every bit helps spread the word :) .
Sorry not current in this thread. Did anyone mention meta-meta-gnostic sorcery yet? Basically Super Saiyan 3.
Is this an actual (theoretical) thing?
Well, I don't see why not. I mean, there shouldn't be a theoretical limit to how many things you don't say.
Of course, there is a practical limit to those by individual, but who knows what it would be...
Zaudunyannicon wasn't a failure, it was just something for fun and if you had that then it was a success :)
However, the "come next year" logic is flawed. As not everyone is a millionaire who lives in the house next to Bakker and have infinite free time.
I wonder what he might have learned had he spent time searching into the Uncreated Creation that The Artisan was long looking into.Sorry not current in this thread. Did anyone mention meta-meta-gnostic sorcery yet? Basically Super Saiyan 3.
Is this an actual (theoretical) thing?
Well, I don't see why not. I mean, there shouldn't be a theoretical limit to how many things you don't say.
Of course, there is a practical limit to those by individual, but who knows what it would be...
I was being kinda tongue-in-cheek with the description, but apparently Kellhus' "markless" magic - like him levitating at the last whelming (Kelmomas said he couldn't see him doing sorcery) had nothing to do with Ajokli. All Kellhus magic all the way.
Kellhus has learned so much about sorcery that he has developed some magics that are, more or less, indistinguishable from the world.
That's got a whole lot of implications.
Zaudunyannicon wasn't a failure, it was just something for fun and if you had that then it was a success :)While I do enjoy being a strikingly handsome individual who's job is simply to watch my money make little money babies, I hope you know that the 'next year' thing is a mostly a joke (as was the first half of this sentence). It took plenty of efforts to plan and a bit of money to boot, not to mention basically forcing Bakker to show up. In the last 5 years Bakker has been to a total of 2 places for TSA, including Zaudunyanicon, and both were no farther than an afternoon drive form his house.
However, the "come next year" logic is flawed. As not everyone is a millionaire who lives in the house next to Bakker and have infinite free time.
I wonder what he might have learned had he spent time searching into the Uncreated Creation that The Artisan was long looking into.
And really, sometimes I think Shaeonanra could have learned a lot if he spent his time studying the Amiolas. The description of it in the glossary makes one wonder the effect of putting it on a being without a soul.
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Well, I am a fool for not using my sarcasm detector :(Zaudunyannicon wasn't a failure, it was just something for fun and if you had that then it was a success :)While I do enjoy being a strikingly handsome individual who's job is simply to watch my money make little money babies, I hope you know that the 'next year' thing is a mostly a joke (as was the first half of this sentence). It took plenty of efforts to plan and a bit of money to boot, not to mention basically forcing Bakker to show up. In the last 5 years Bakker has been to a total of 2 places for TSA, including Zaudunyanicon, and both were no farther than an afternoon drive form his house.
However, the "come next year" logic is flawed. As not everyone is a millionaire who lives in the house next to Bakker and have infinite free time.
Hopefully we're able to get him to come out more often, but I'm (we're) nobody, and I think people somehow forget that. We couldn't even afford to pay him for his time. And just like our poorly produced podcasts, I do sincerely hope people get tired of us and decide to make something great. There are fans, I'm sure, that are professional event planers, professional podcasters or youtubers, etc. Unfortunately for you all, you're stuck with me and Madness until you get up and do it yourself. A line cook and an engineer that do this for fun in whatever few hours of free time we have between jobs.
I'm not at all bothered by people wanting more, or disparaging me even, because again I agree that the stuff we do here is a joke. I'm seriously just here to have fun, and I do. But I'm pretty much a selfish jackass. This is what you get with a guy like me (laughably) in charge of this circus.
If we want to spend a bunch of time talking about how much I suck, lets do it, but realize that we already lost the Q/A thread for people attacking Bakker until he left.
Or perhaps the community will choose to suggest we talk about Zaudunyanicon instead, I'll leave it up to you guys (as, again, I did in the Q/A).
I think both sides might be taking this too personally.It isn't really a serious discussion, Merchant :) . It's just a joke that went without me noticing and Wilshire kindly explained it.
I apologise for my comment about cliques,it was just a joking response to the wording, i'm rarely serious and was also going to make a joke about how 9 out 13 of "us" made it (bakker's dozen).
I think both sides might be taking this too personally.It isn't really a serious discussion, Merchant :) . It's just a joke that went without me noticing and Wilshire kindly explained it.
I apologise for my comment about cliques,it was just a joking response to the wording, i'm rarely serious and was also going to make a joke about how 9 out 13 of "us" made it (bakker's dozen).
It will be markless sorcery indistinguishable from creation, the same way emilidis tried to create an object the same way.Which leads into even more interesting lines of thought.
I think both sides might be taking this too personally.Jokes on jokes ;)
I apologise for my comment about cliques,it was just a joking response to the wording, i'm rarely serious and was also going to make a joke about how 9 out 13 of "us" made it (bakker's dozen).
It will be markless sorcery indistinguishable from creation, the same way emilidis tried to create an object the same way.Which leads into even more interesting lines of thought.
The Psukyhe leaves no mark, yet the users are still vulnerable to Chorae. Whereas some artifacts made by Emilidis are immune to Chorae. Which leaves one to wonder what uniquely about these artifacts allows them to be immune.
I can't recall if his artifacts left the mark as well or not, though I feel like they didn't.
I was being kinda tongue-in-cheek with the description, but apparently Kellhus' "markless" magic - like him levitating at the last whelming (Kelmomas said he couldn't see him doing sorcery) had nothing to do with Ajokli. All Kellhus magic all the way.
Kellhus has learned so much about sorcery that he has developed some magics that are, more or less, indistinguishable from the world.
That's got a whole lot of implications.
- "Kellhus is dead but not done."
Well, the biggest issue with Kellhus using the Psûkhe would be the same issue Moënghus has, no?I was being kinda tongue-in-cheek with the description, but apparently Kellhus' "markless" magic - like him levitating at the last whelming (Kelmomas said he couldn't see him doing sorcery) had nothing to do with Ajokli. All Kellhus magic all the way.
Kellhus has learned so much about sorcery that he has developed some magics that are, more or less, indistinguishable from the world.
That's got a whole lot of implications.
Well, there really isn't anything to keep Kellhus from spiking the Meta-Gnosis with the Psûkhe, besides the fact that he still has his eyes. Yet, from the lesson of Titirga, while it helps to be blind in developing the Water, the Psûkhe can still be used while sighted. Perhaps Kellhus was on the trail of the Psûkhe and in the last encounter with Meppa he discovered the last few things he needed to know in order to wield it. We simply don't know how things would work together, because no one, besides Kellhus, really knows (much) more than one of the Gnosis/Anagogis/Psûkhe. Further adding the Daimos complicates things even more so.
Perhaps even Titirga could have devised something like this, had he lived longer. Then again, he didn't have the Meta-Gnosis, so we don't know how many "inutterals" he could muster.
The epic tale of how Crabicus/the Boy will save the World single-handedly? ;)
The epic tale of how Crabicus/the Boy will save the World single-handedly? ;)
I guffawed out loud at the pun here. I share an office with two other people, who happened to be talking to two other people in here. They all looked at me like I'm crazy (I've had my headphones on, trying to ignore them and look like I'm working and not reading all of Bakker's AMA posts).
Anyway, thanks for the clever post TOT.
Kellhus is much more than his father, but that's not the point. He isn't wielding the psuke as the Cishaurim would have understood it. First, he's not blind, but beyond that he likely (imo) is doing something with his understanding of creation more similar to Emilidis than Moenghus.Do expressions of the Psûkhe inherently cause glowing eyes/mouth and singing? I honestly can't recall. Not to say this can't be some other unique expression of markless magic he does. But I just find the idea that it directly relates to the Psûkhe to seem hard to fit in.
Then again, if its straight psuke, levitating a meter above the ground isn't something I'd call an exceptional dispensation of power. Perhaps it is the puske, and he is limited to part tricks like making his voice loud and floating a cubit off the ground.
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Thanks codebread. Moved to the other post ;) .
The epic tale of how Crabicus/the Boy will save the World single-handedly? ;)
I guffawed out loud at the pun here. I share an office with two other people, who happened to be talking to two other people in here. They all looked at me like I'm crazy (I've had my headphones on, trying to ignore them and look like I'm working and not reading all of Bakker's AMA posts).
Anyway, thanks for the clever post TOT.
You're welcome, Gnostic Cants. I couldn't resist, puns make everything better, TSA included. :P Sorry about that one slight moment of embarrassment, though.
Bakker was nonplussed by the name Crabbicus, and he seemed almost offended that we've starting calling the first book of TNG The Crabiqiad.
Yeah, he didn't like that at all... but it's such a good name and consistent with Bakker's words so far about TNG. You can't call it the Sagas, tell us the Crabicus' story might be a whole book, and then not have us use the naming conventions provided to us so far.
I'll bet it's a McCarthy thing: the Boy was to rename Nameless, I suppose.
I don't think any Nascenti have brought this up:
There were a couple deleted scenes from TGO's bacchanal where the Mandate schoolmen believed they were Seswatha. We see it happen first with Saccarees, and then it spreads to the rest of them who have partaken of the feast. Eskales is made temporary grand-master (as was apparently planned from early on), and he is among the few who fasted rather than partake in the Meat.
I feel like there was a pretty extensive conversation regarding morality on Friday night. One great line that got a laugh, I think, was "Would you ask Mohammad to rewrite the Quran?
I think deleted scenes won't be canon.
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@ Madness, Wilshire
Guys, I really think that you've already done enough. No reason at all to feel bad if some things don't work out or are less than perfect. What we can (and do) have is great. Yet all Men desire more, 'tis a universal truth, but you aren't responsible for sating their thirst. What you do is a courtesy, and I very much appreciate it.
Martin level of community has its many perks, but lacks things possible for smaller groups.
I think deleted scenes won't be canon.By definition even, something that was removed from the story prior to its publication is explicitly not canon.
Wait, wait, so the Fanim are among the most wrong? Tbh I considered them the one safe harbor in the ocean of crackpottery, and now I just don't know what to think anymore.Yeah sorry man. I always thought that, since they clearly lost, that they'd end up on the 'right' end of the spectrum.
Im sure it would hvae been interesting to see things through my own eyes.It always is.
Subject/object, and all that. Sometimes being a Bakker fan is a slog - he does not endear himself or make it easy and that is obviously perfectly fine as he can do what he wants.I'm of the opinion that his skill at getting in his own way is without equal. A sharpshooter when aiming at his foot.
Im still, to use a term in this thread, nonplussed about TUC and i dont see that changing.
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Also, shocked that hes shocked that the editing is so poor. Doesnt he get a production copy of the book before anyone? The editing was basically atrocious for TUC.
If nothing else its simply a bad title and doesnt jive w/the material in the way that hte other 6 titles and books do, imho.What would you have named it? Seemed fitting enough to me compared to the other titles.
Did he give a reason for the Mandate scenes being removed?
I missed Eskeles in TGO, and him appearing so emmaciated without anything prior seemed a bit...off? And he changed from Thanteus Eskeles to Teüs in TUC.
They would have been awesome additions to TGO and TUC.
Teus is just a short form of Thanteus, though that is a strange thing to do for a family name.
Isn't the "Seswatha incident" yet another instance where Akka's likening of the soul opening to the Outside under the duress of madness seems factual?I'm of the opinion that the mechanics of Seswatha's heart and the ritual associated with it are very deliberately not elaborated upon at all in the series. There is a revelation there, but it's extremely hard to speculate about its nature, since relevant information is basically non-existent.
We joked about him having a kind of 'battered wife' syndrome regarding his relationship with Overlook. He seems to think they can do no wrong, and has never looked for a better offer (imo, for fear of rejection).
What would you have named it? Seemed fitting enough to me compared to the other titles.
Isn't the "Seswatha incident" yet another instance where Akka's likening of the soul opening to the Outside under the duress of madness seems factual?
It does seem that way. I take it we're talking about the scene were cnaiur recollects akka taking a piece of parchment and putting holes on it and laying it on water? Cnaiur discards it cause Kellhus seems to contradict it all. But then Kellhus was probably wrong as Koringhus muses.
It does seem that way. I take it we're talking about the scene were cnaiur recollects akka taking a piece of parchment and putting holes on it and laying it on water? Cnaiur discards it cause Kellhus seems to contradict it all. But then Kellhus was probably wrong as Koringhus muses.
Yeah, that's the one.
And Kellhus is mad, we know this. He even admits it. He simply can't fathom how mad he is, mainly because he is mad.
Isn't there some quote as well that mentions how the mad always think themselves sane?
“Some souls are broken in such a way as to think themselves whole,” he said. “The more they are flawed, the more they presume their own perfection.”
Any hint if "The Crabiqiad" (lol) will be all devoted to Crabby or will have a glimpse at least of what happened to the others?
Though, this becomes complicates, as the Nascenti learned, when Bakker himself asked to have the italics sections of Neuropath removed from one printing to another...
Any hint if "The Crabiqiad" (lol) will be all devoted to Crabby or will have a glimpse at least of what happened to the others?
My understanding is that it's just Crabby. In fact, Bakker actually said the other reason he wants to make Crabiqiad the first book is how much it will piss off people who are waiting for a follow-up to the ending of TUC.
Bakker actually said the other reason he wants to make Crabiqiad the first book is how much it will piss off people who are waiting for a follow-up to the ending of TUC.
It seems that "The Crabiqiad" would send our mighty hero Crabby far away of the theatre of the rest of events. Maybe Crabby is going to Zeüm, curse Likaro.
If not, why don't put Crabby and the rest together as in TAE series? why separate them at all?
Any hint if "The Crabiqiad" (lol) will be all devoted to Crabby or will have a glimpse at least of what happened to the others?
My understanding is that it's just Crabby. In fact, Bakker actually said the other reason he wants to make Crabiqiad the first book is how much it will piss off people who are waiting for a follow-up to the ending of TUC.
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What I understood from Bakker was slightly different: Not that he wanted the section removed, but that the publisher wanted a "lighter" book so he consented to having the italic section and the afterword removed in order for them to buy it.
Any hint if "The Crabiqiad" (lol) will be all devoted to Crabby or will have a glimpse at least of what happened to the others?
My understanding is that it's just Crabby. In fact, Bakker actually said the other reason he wants to make Crabiqiad the first book is how much it will piss off people who are waiting for a follow-up to the ending of TUC.
As much as I trust Bakker's ability to write an interesting tale, I just don't find Crabicus interesting. I hope he doesn't go so OTT-Bakkerish in his impishness that he writes a disconnected story that holds no significance to the wider story, or his series will suffer as a result of it. Pissing people off is fine (even me :P), but I hope he doesn't do the series a disservice.
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Thank, pail :).What I understood from Bakker was slightly different: Not that he wanted the section removed, but that the publisher wanted a "lighter" book so he consented to having the italic section and the afterword removed in order for them to buy it.
Thanks for posting this, pail.Any hint if "The Crabiqiad" (lol) will be all devoted to Crabby or will have a glimpse at least of what happened to the others?
My understanding is that it's just Crabby. In fact, Bakker actually said the other reason he wants to make Crabiqiad the first book is how much it will piss off people who are waiting for a follow-up to the ending of TUC.
As much as I trust Bakker's ability to write an interesting tale, I just don't find Crabicus interesting. I hope he doesn't go so OTT-Bakkerish in his impishness that he writes a disconnected story that holds no significance to the wider story, or his series will suffer as a result of it. Pissing people off is fine (even me :P), but I hope he doesn't do the series a disservice.
I suppose I can hint the Crabiqiad does include a number of other established loose ends. Classic Bakker promotion. The story is much less disconnected from events as he seems to think and other narrative strands might not be as limited in scope or word count as he made seem.
Ajokli had no relationship with Kellhus prior to the Circumfixion. It was at the Circumfixion that Kellhus's mind was broken down close enough to madness that the Outside was able to slip in. Unless the timelessness of the Gods allows Ajokli's influence to extend back in time, this implies Kellhus's haloes are NOT related to Ajokli![/li][/list]Did Bakker himself imply this or is this how you interpret it? Interesting nonetheless. I always assumed it was something produced by the divine agency puppeteering him. What could it then be?
The No-God series will contain 1-2 books which follow up on what happens in the Three Seas following the resurrection of the No-God. The other book will be the story of Crabicus (obviously, this book will be known as The Crabiqiad). This will most likely be the first book in the No-God. He wasn't sure about the order, but he was leaning this way because if he finished the story of the Three Seas first, it would make the story of Crabicus feel like an extra tale tacked on to the end of a complete series. These details made it sound, to me, like Crabicus will not have a major role in the fate of the world, which will play out in the other one or two books.
The one thing that kind of concerns me is the length of the story, if the entirety of the second apocalypse can contained within one book than that is disappointing. The second apocalypse is the true story we have been waiting on this entire time, the story literally starts with the first apocalypse and the remnants of the Kuniuri in Ishual. The first apocalypse took over a decade to run its course, earlier Bakker was talking about how the story mirror each other and so I was hoping the second apocalypse would be as long as the first. I was thinking that the No-God series should be as long as the other two series combined, the PON is the story of the Holy War, the AE is the story of the Great Ordeal, both of these conflicts were little more than a year long. So is was thinking the No-God would be more books than each of the preceding series.So if the stories are mirrors of each other, maybe Crabicus will encounter some kind of sect in the middle of the Apocalypse as his young forefather did all those years ago...
Ajokli had no relationship with Kellhus prior to the Circumfixion. It was at the Circumfixion that Kellhus's mind was broken down close enough to madness that the Outside was able to slip in. Unless the timelessness of the Gods allows Ajokli's influence to extend back in time, this implies Kellhus's haloes are NOT related to Ajokli![/li][/list]Did Bakker himself imply this or is this how you interpret it? Interesting nonetheless. I always assumed it was something produced by the divine agency puppeteering him. What could it then be?The No-God series will contain 1-2 books which follow up on what happens in the Three Seas following the resurrection of the No-God. The other book will be the story of Crabicus (obviously, this book will be known as The Crabiqiad). This will most likely be the first book in the No-God. He wasn't sure about the order, but he was leaning this way because if he finished the story of the Three Seas first, it would make the story of Crabicus feel like an extra tale tacked on to the end of a complete series. These details made it sound, to me, like Crabicus will not have a major role in the fate of the world, which will play out in the other one or two books.The one thing that kind of concerns me is the length of the story, if the entirety of the second apocalypse can contained within one book than that is disappointing. The second apocalypse is the true story we have been waiting on this entire time, the story literally starts with the first apocalypse and the remnants of the Kuniuri in Ishual. The first apocalypse took over a decade to run its course, earlier Bakker was talking about how the story mirror each other and so I was hoping the second apocalypse would be as long as the first. I was thinking that the No-God series should be as long as the other two series combined, the PON is the story of the Holy War, the AE is the story of the Great Ordeal, both of these conflicts were little more than a year long. So is was thinking the No-God would be more books than each of the preceding series.So if the stories are mirrors of each other, maybe Crabicus will encounter some kind of sect in the middle of the Apocalypse as his young forefather did all those years ago...
So if the stories are mirrors of each other, maybe Crabicus will encounter some kind of sect in the middle of the Apocalypse as his young forefather did all those years ago...
So an unnamed kind, lose in a semi-tame, semi-wild setting?
The Crabiqid is Bakker's Blood Meridian. He will meet Sarl (as the Judge). Or didn't Bakker say that Kosoter isn't done yet? Then he is the Judge.
I honestly wouldn't mind Crabbicus not interacting too heavily with the Second Apocalypse proper, as it were, or not being super heavily involved. I always think the Dunyain sections were especially interesting to read and really liked The Survivor's stuff (whose name I can't remember). As long as his intents aren't like a certain other semi-Dunyain child then I think it'll be an interesting read.
- "Kellhus is dead but not done."
Is that Serwa just to the right, there? :P
Is that Serwa just to the right, there? :P
Either way, Mrs. Bakker is a lovely and intelligent lady.
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A personalized The Court of Broken Knives (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32469783-the-court-of-broken-knives) from Anna Smith Spark presented to Bakker at Zaudunyanicon.
For the record, I did mean Serwa. I assumed she was responsible for all those Surillic Points floating up near the ceiling... ;)
What's the significance of Bakker signing that particular book, is the author a forum member? Also should i be reading the book?
Facebook member, and yes you should read it. 1st in a trilogy, I enjoyed it.
I was going to say, I know that Redeagl and MSJ enjoyed it and H didn't so much.
The author is a member of the Grimdark Fiction Readers & Writers group on Facebook, apparently has industry connections from heaven as her recent appearances with a variety of Fantasy icons at Worldcon suggests, and counts Bakker a primary influences regarding her own writing.
Was the audio/video of this uploaded somewhere? Or any of the responses for the Q and A?
So will there be a ZCon next year or was all that chatter just bullshit? I wanna go!I dunno if the economics, let alone everything else, will work out such that we can do it that often - both for the planers and the attendees.
If I were being honest, I'd say hoping for something the next time there is a book release wouldn't be totally outlandish but still perhaps not necessarily a distinct possibility.
Arguably at the end of the books [so far], Serwa is the only character with autonomy ... any sort of meaningful autonomy.
Quote from: Bakker ZDC TeaserArguably at the end of the books [so far], Serwa is the only character with autonomy ... any sort of meaningful autonomy.
Bakker the Brother sent us another round of newly amended videos and order of based on feedback from the Nascenti and Bakker.
General release should be forthcoming soon!