The Second Apocalypse

Earwa => The Aspect-Emperor => The Unholy Consult => Topic started by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 02:00:12 pm

Title: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 02:00:12 pm
Yeah... what'd it do? Where'd it go?
Title: Re: The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: H on July 25, 2017, 02:05:42 pm
We dropping the TUC spoiler tags from now on, since it's the 25th?
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Madness on July 25, 2017, 02:13:05 pm
I actually would put that up to discussion, but no, I didn't mean to and am not going to personally, I just haven't made a thread in awhile.
Title: Re: The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: themerchant on July 25, 2017, 02:15:18 pm
It Flares once last whelming chapter page 227.

The long tails of the Ekkinu, the ensorcelled arras suspended behind his father's chair,waxed bright for no explicable reason.The boy glimpsed the mouths of the DEcapitants masticating,as if the one murmured into the ear of the other....

This is inbetween paragraphs where Kellhus is talking about the arc being a poison and who it has infected.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Wilshire on July 26, 2017, 02:46:37 pm
ar·ras
ˈerəs/Submit
noun
a rich tapestry, typically hung on the walls of a room or used to conceal an alcove.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: H on July 26, 2017, 03:18:42 pm
ar·ras
ˈerəs/Submit
noun
a rich tapestry, typically hung on the walls of a room or used to conceal an alcove.

So, perhaps then the question is, "what was it concealing?"
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Wilshire on July 26, 2017, 04:17:25 pm
So, perhaps then the question is, "what was it concealing?"

Exactly my thought when I read the definition. What is it concealing, what manner of alcove hides behind an enchanted tapestry. In Earwa, I would guess its probably not of the 'Narnia' variety.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo on August 03, 2017, 10:25:26 pm
I need some kind of insight on these things.

the glossary entry for the Ekkinu says they are first mentioned in 4122, one year after Kelhus learns the Daimos.

The glossary also says they are called "articles of damnation," and might relate some kind of language. Indeed, kelmomas notices them "wax bright for no explicable reason," and immediately after sees the decapitants seemingly talking to each other. Wtf.

Also the white-luck-sorweel describes them "bearing an endless descent of writhing text that only he and the Demon (Kelhus) can read. What kind of text would it be displaying that only gods and ciphrang could read?

Maybe some kind of message board from the Outside?
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: sohorat on August 04, 2017, 12:07:21 am
Me and Setmahaga have a blog.  We used to let Hish post there sometimes, but it was always souls he had for lunch and it got pretty boring.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo on August 04, 2017, 12:12:29 am
Typical. Nobody wants to see pictures of the souls you eat on Instaphrang or Ciphbook.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: littlegrice on August 04, 2017, 12:18:11 am
A year AFTER all they mysterious deahs that Bakker RAFO'ed?  An object of the Daimos, no less?  Human souls, faithful to Kellhus, on the eternal vigil for all things Outside-ie?  Maybe the same for the hearth thing he has in his quarters.

Also, how exactly is a Wathi doll made?  They ever mention it? 
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: sohorat on August 04, 2017, 12:26:41 am
Maybe the focus on the metaphysical "how" of the Head on a Pole has distracted from the more mundane question of whose Heads were on Poles.

For me personally, a little human sacrifice goes a long way as a prelude to Pacting, you know? Zioz will back me up.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Cnaiür vs Karsa vs Drogo on August 04, 2017, 01:00:58 am
seriously, nobody ever mentions that they see text on these things except a demon-possessed assassin?
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Wilshire on August 04, 2017, 01:20:40 am
Typical. Nobody wants to see pictures of the souls you eat on Instaphrang or Ciphbook.

Lol, love it.


Also, how exactly is a Wathi doll made?  They ever mention it? 

I soul is torn from living person and imprisoned in a doll. It is mentioned somewhere, can't remember where though. That's about all the detail we have.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: littlegrice on August 04, 2017, 02:09:36 am
If it's torn out using the Diamos, then we might be on to something here.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Hiro on August 04, 2017, 11:05:19 am
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Also, how exactly is a Wathi doll made?  They ever mention it? 

I soul is torn from living person and imprisoned in a doll. It is mentioned somewhere, can't remember where though. That's about all the detail we have.



Interesting how that doll in the scene by the fire in TWP is the first confirmation that Kellhus is one of the Few.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Madness on August 04, 2017, 01:55:40 pm
Me and Setmahaga have a blog.  We used to let Hish post there sometimes, but it was always souls he had for lunch and it got pretty boring.

Typical. Nobody wants to see pictures of the souls you eat on Instaphrang or Ciphbook.

Lmao. Dying.

A year AFTER all they mysterious deahs that Bakker RAFO'ed?  An object of the Daimos, no less?  Human souls, faithful to Kellhus, on the eternal vigil for all things Outside-ie?  Maybe the same for the hearth thing he has in his quarters.

The Hearth has its own glossary entry, no? Which as far as my limited recall allows, I believe is mentioned to be in the hands of the Fanim for the duration of the First Holy War.

Also, how exactly is a Wathi doll made?  They ever mention it? 

If it's torn out using the Diamos, then we might be on to something here.

According to Achamian soul-trapping is an ancient art but we also know from elsewhere in the books and extratextually (http://forum.three-seas.com/posts/7056) that the Daimos is eschewed by all Schools, save the Scarlet Spires. The Wathi Doll is a reason why we had threads distinguishing Sorcerous Artifacts (http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=1185.0) from Weapons of Animata (http://www.second-apocalypse.com/index.php?topic=979.0).
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: MSJ on August 07, 2017, 08:11:22 pm
Oh it's connected to the Diamos, for sure. Its why only Sorweel as WLW and Kellhus can read it. Its either script of the Outside or the imprint of souls, I'd say the latter.

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elhusioli—The daimos of excess. As per standard Kiünnat metaphysics, souls directly move other souls, impart the imprint of daimos upon another daimos. Some, such as terror or enthusiasm, are set apart for the dramatic nature of their effects.

I'd say this has something to do with this and also the deaths of 4121.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Francis Buck on August 09, 2017, 08:34:15 pm
I have stumbled across something that may enlighten (or at least embellish) the great Ekinnu mystery. I'm pretty sure (well I'm damn near positive) that the Eleven Pole Chamber/Umbilicus/Ekinnu -- the whole royal tent thing -- is at least somewhat derived from the Tabernacle (as in the Biblical one).

From wiki:

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"The Tabernacle according to the Hebrew Bible, was the portable earthly dwelling place of God amongst the children of Israel from the time of the Exodus from Egypt through the conquering of the land of Canaan."

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"It describes an inner shrine, the Holy of Holies, which housed the Ark of the Covenant, which in turn was under the veil of the covering suspended by four pillars and an outer chamber (the "Holy Place"), containing beaten gold made into what is generally described as a lamp-stand or candlestick featuring a central shaft incorporating four almond-shaped bowls and six branches, each holding three bowls shaped like almonds and blossoms, 22 in all. It was standing diagonally, partially covering a table for showbread and with its seven oil lamps over against it to give light along with the altar of incense."

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Tabernacle_Schematic.jpg)

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"Exodus 33:7-10 refers to "the Tabernacle of the congregation", which was set up outside of camp with the "cloudy pillar" visible at its door. The people directed their worship toward this center."


Note that the Veil hides the Ark of the Covenant. In TUC the Ekkinu is set before the Ark of the Consult...

(thank Madness for motivating my lazy ass to post this ;))
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: MSJ on August 09, 2017, 09:26:13 pm
So, in other words, keeping Kellhus "protected from the Ark"?

What I find interesting is Sorweel as the WLW can actually read the script. So, it's the language of the Outside, definitely Diamotic in nature.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Duskweaver on August 09, 2017, 10:02:15 pm
And at the end of the book, the Ekkinu has disappeared. In other words, the Veil has been taken away. Which is the literal meaning of the word Apocalypse: 'The Unveiling'.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: MSJ on August 09, 2017, 10:22:00 pm
Very nice, Duskweaver! :)
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Madness on August 11, 2017, 11:55:22 am
(thank Madness for motivating my lazy ass to post this ;))

No problem, friendo ;). The people deserve your perspective!
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Wilshire on June 12, 2019, 07:56:19 pm
In perpetual skepticism of things revealed and things hidden, the missing Ekkinu simply must have a role to play later. But as so many things with this TUC interlude, exactly what seems indecipherable.
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Francis Buck on June 13, 2019, 10:11:05 am
Even though it annoys me, my gut says the Ekkinu will go without resolution of their true nature. It feels like a piece of symbolic worldbuilding that served both its intended symbolism and also a small plot-related function in revealing the reality of a 'language of souls' and as a method of showing that both Sorweel and Kellhus were not entirely themselves at that moment (given they are both God-Entangled or possessed or whatever, and it is noted that only they can read it). 
Title: Re: [TUC Spoilers] The Sorcerous Ekkinu
Post by: Wilshire on June 13, 2019, 12:14:34 pm
Actually that's a really good point. I think I struggle a lot with pending books and the potential for new info, and shutting down possibilities - mostly because so many unexpected things have happened. So yeah, given that it DID have a purpose, it might very well be done. That's a great catch, that it revealed god-entangled souls, and I never really put the two together. Thanks FB!